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Yes, orange juice is always made from oranges until the administration holds a gun to your head and tells you to make it with something else. The rot of qualit

by querym 10mo ago

Yes, orange juice is always made from oranges until the administration holds a gun to your head and tells you to make it with something else. The rot of quality happened in the 2010s. The only time it was worthwhile was when it was a tight community of those making the news themselves. Now, we are a community of relatively smart people, on average. What you seem to be saying is that it will still be the church, even when the Nazis will be controlling it later. Why must it be that way?

krapp 10mo ago
>Why must it be that way? For the most part because that's what people here want, and it's what the moderators and owners intend. For many people HN is the last bastion of a web and a culture they feel has disappeared from the world and can no longer be found anywhere else. The last place in a world swarming with bots and ads and normies where interesting people can be found and and high quality conversation is possible. This is their lifeboat in the ocean of shit that is the modern web, and they're going to cling on to it to the bitter end. And the more people join, and the bigger HN gets, the more deeply that sentiment is held and the more aggressive the moderation and tone policing become. The more conflicts arise within the community as the pressure to change meets the pressure to conform. The nature of battling entropy is that you inevitably create the very force you seek to control. Also this forum is owned by a billion dollar Silicon Valley startup incubator. It exists to advertise the "hacker cred" of that company and as such they want to curate a specific kind of culture and mindset, that of the brilliant and curious autodidact engineer interested in gratifying intellectual curiosity and nothing else. Any deviation from that risks changing the vibe YC is trying to project for itself through the community. It's best to just accept HN for what it is and go elsewhere if you want free speech. Or stay and take your lumps. Expecting change is futile.

by querym 10mo ago

krapp 10mo ago

>Why must it be that way? For the most part because that's what people here want, and it's what the moderators and owners intend. For many people HN is the last bastion of a web and a culture they feel has disappeared from the world and can no longer be found anywhere else. The last place in a world swarming with bots and ads and normies where interesting people can be found and and high quality conversation is possible. This is their lifeboat in the ocean of shit that is the modern web, and they're going to cling on to it to the bitter end. And the more people join, and the bigger HN gets, the more deeply that sentiment is held and the more aggressive the moderation and tone policing become. The more conflicts arise within the community as the pressure to change meets the pressure to conform. The nature of battling entropy is that you inevitably create the very force you seek to control. Also this forum is owned by a billion dollar Silicon Valley startup incubator. It exists to advertise the "hacker cred" of that company and as such they want to curate a specific kind of culture and mindset, that of the brilliant and curious autodidact engineer interested in gratifying intellectual curiosity and nothing else. Any deviation from that risks changing the vibe YC is trying to project for itself through the community. It's best to just accept HN for what it is and go elsewhere if you want free speech. Or stay and take your lumps. Expecting change is futile.