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> the next US President One nice thing about US Americans: they're always so optimistic! One day Rabinovich is browsing the local news site, as is his habit,

> the next US President One nice thing about US Americans: they're always so optimistic! One day Rabinovich is browsing the local news site, as is his habit, and he clicks it away but somehow a chatbot still pops up on his screen: — Moishe :tada:, we notice that you only come to our site once a day, and not only do you not doomscroll, you don't even scroll past the fold. :-( Is there anything we could do to improve your engagement? — No, no, I only come to check the obituaries. — But the obituaries are in their own section, linked from the footer. You never even see the footer! — Believe you me, this obituary will be above the fold. > what would be the point? a Danish poem from 1940: Losing one glove is certainly painful, but nothing compared to the pain, of losing one, throwing away the other, and finding the first one again. > in the Western Hemisphere. (a) we've heard "spheres of influence" before, and seen Fall Blau happen anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE (b) distances: 1'400 km Nuuk <-> Reykjavik* 3'300 km Nuuk <-> Washington DC Just saying, dude. * I saw a map in a major US paper last night that somehow was missing Iceland completely. Do you all even have fact checkers anymore?

twixfel 10mo ago
Indeed this concept of hemispheres to justify military action is total nonsense, the Prime Meridian could have been placed anywhere. Strictly speaking, the whole of Ireland may be invaded by the USA according to this "doctrine".
- aebtebeten 10mo ago
  Thanks to HN, a little time ago I learned that my original conception of the Monroe Doctrine (donroe mocktrine?) was overly simplistic. Yay HN! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41564406 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41564406 (who'd want to invade IE anyway? They have no culture beyond a pair of shite gaelic rappers and they're so backward they still travel on horseback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8 )
- xp84 10mo ago
  > hemispheres to justify military action I didn't mean to imply that. I was only speaking of how pragmatic it would be for European powers to handle the logistics to fight a land war in Greenland. The US can project power basically anywhere, but it's harder for smaller navies to pull that off.
  - aebtebeten 10mo ago
    See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46539021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46539021 for the pragmatics. As far as the logistics go: in 1982 the UK managed to land several regiments on the Mal^W Falkland Islands (13'000 km); surely it'd be easier to do similar, over much shorter distances? Note: if AR (a client state* of the US at the time) had been hoping the Monroe Doctrine would be put into practice for them, that hope was in vain. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
xp84 10mo ago
Regarding hemisphere - Sorry, I just meant that countries that aren't the US have limited long-distance power projection abilities and limited sustained logistics capabilities. That's because the US has been policing every ocean for 50 years while the other navies have been mainly sailing around to keep an eye on their territorial waters. Anyway, does Reykjavik have a big military logistics depot?
- aebtebeten 10mo ago
  Have you heard the joke that ends "I don't have to outrun the bear"? I went to elementary school in the US, and it was there that I learned how you have to handle bullies. You don't have to be able to beat them up, you only have to make them work[0] hard enough to beat you up[1] that they start picking on someone who is more fun and less work to abuse[2]. [0] when I told my wife how "calling someone out" worked in the States, she was horrified: she said, yes, of course the boys here fight, but they fight in anger, spontaneously — what kind of barbarians make notes in their agendas to kick each others' ass, in cold blood, later? [1] the better kind of bully only goes to first blood. Worse are the O'Briens (read "Such, such were the joys" and you may understand were that character comes from) who continue beating you up just so others see they can: > "Even if people stop rebelling against the party, the Party will manufacture new traitors so that it can be seen crushing them." Either way, even though I lost every single fight, no one picked on me again after I'd called them out. (bullies are not into schlep?) [2] yes, maybe in hindsight it would have been better to stand up for those they switched to. My wife was also horrified by "snitches get stitches". In practice, JFK tried to create a world in which the strong were just, the weak secure, and the peace protected, but obviously others in the US didn't care for those goals.

twixfel 10mo ago

Indeed this concept of hemispheres to justify military action is total nonsense, the Prime Meridian could have been placed anywhere. Strictly speaking, the whole of Ireland may be invaded by the USA according to this "doctrine".

aebtebeten 10mo ago
Thanks to HN, a little time ago I learned that my original conception of the Monroe Doctrine (donroe mocktrine?) was overly simplistic. Yay HN! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41564406 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41564406 (who'd want to invade IE anyway? They have no culture beyond a pair of shite gaelic rappers and they're so backward they still travel on horseback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8 )
xp84 10mo ago
> hemispheres to justify military action I didn't mean to imply that. I was only speaking of how pragmatic it would be for European powers to handle the logistics to fight a land war in Greenland. The US can project power basically anywhere, but it's harder for smaller navies to pull that off.
- aebtebeten 10mo ago
  See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46539021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46539021 for the pragmatics. As far as the logistics go: in 1982 the UK managed to land several regiments on the Mal^W Falkland Islands (13'000 km); surely it'd be easier to do similar, over much shorter distances? Note: if AR (a client state* of the US at the time) had been hoping the Monroe Doctrine would be put into practice for them, that hope was in vain. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War

xp84 10mo ago

Regarding hemisphere - Sorry, I just meant that countries that aren't the US have limited long-distance power projection abilities and limited sustained logistics capabilities. That's because the US has been policing every ocean for 50 years while the other navies have been mainly sailing around to keep an eye on their territorial waters. Anyway, does Reykjavik have a big military logistics depot?

aebtebeten 10mo ago
Have you heard the joke that ends "I don't have to outrun the bear"? I went to elementary school in the US, and it was there that I learned how you have to handle bullies. You don't have to be able to beat them up, you only have to make them work[0] hard enough to beat you up[1] that they start picking on someone who is more fun and less work to abuse[2]. [0] when I told my wife how "calling someone out" worked in the States, she was horrified: she said, yes, of course the boys here fight, but they fight in anger, spontaneously — what kind of barbarians make notes in their agendas to kick each others' ass, in cold blood, later? [1] the better kind of bully only goes to first blood. Worse are the O'Briens (read "Such, such were the joys" and you may understand were that character comes from) who continue beating you up just so others see they can: > "Even if people stop rebelling against the party, the Party will manufacture new traitors so that it can be seen crushing them." Either way, even though I lost every single fight, no one picked on me again after I'd called them out. (bullies are not into schlep?) [2] yes, maybe in hindsight it would have been better to stand up for those they switched to. My wife was also horrified by "snitches get stitches". In practice, JFK tried to create a world in which the strong were just, the weak secure, and the peace protected, but obviously others in the US didn't care for those goals.