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It’s very frustrating for the bot’s reinforcement function. This is another account created after widespread access to LLM was available to the public that is

by lovich 10mo ago

It’s very frustrating for the bot’s reinforcement function. This is another account created after widespread access to LLM was available to the public that is pushing a political view that is somewhat coherent until pressed and then it falls apart like all chat bots Maybe it’s a real person and I’m being an asshole here, but it’s hard to tell. The fact that is hard to tell if they are real or not means we need to come up with a heuristic to identify actual humans now that passing the Turing test has become trivially cheap.

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- rcxdude 10mo ago
  Maybe, but someone engaged with you and your response showed it was utterly unproductive to do so. COVID may have been mishandled but it does nothing to justify the administrations decisions regarding healthcare. If that's the reason you think positively of the man then you should evaluate the rest of what he's said and done. If you have the time, two podcasts from this doctor which I think kind of highlight what's going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OF6vP-SkGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OF6vP-SkGA (where they have a frank discussion about what was done badly during COVID, including government lies) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBllzAb_vAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBllzAb_vAk (where they have a discussion with one of the leading researchers on nutrition, who has come into direct conflict with RFK Jr. because he doesn't say exactly what RFK Jr. believes to be the case, and has had papers censored and funding cut as a result)
  - alex1138 10mo ago
    So if we're linking stuff (and please don't scream at me for Rumble, Youtube loves removing videos) here's one https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html I was initially trying to make a point that the ideological lines that people have drawn have made it so they automatically think RFK is anti-science and they as a consequence have a whole host of assumptions for which I don't even blame them if they haven't spent time reading up about it. I apologize for not countering every single point and going to covid but it's kind of worth pointing out that RFK a) raises some very substantive charges against Fauci for frankly war criminal like actions throughout his unfortunate history of practicing medicine and b) it wasn't "mismanagement". They did, seriously, the opposite of good practice (both accepted good practice and what was discovered in 2020 going forward) in just about every case If you're not sympathetic to that then of course you're going to disagree and you might think that the only reason someone like Musk bought X (and please don't think this is me Musk fanning, I dislike him for several reasons) is just to have a joyride (which is still possible); they used to ban so many people and real doctors for information that they didn't like and it was a serious problem and if they could do that for covid then they also did it for other things Edit: (see, I do know how to edit comments) here's it on Youtube which is the highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMONZMuS2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMONZMuS2U
- lovich 10mo ago
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    - dang 10mo ago
      Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines? You're doing it quite badly. I don't want to ban you, but posts like this make it hard not to, because people will start accusing us of enforcing the rules unfairly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: perhaps this will help: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722. More at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20contrarian%20view&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....
      - alex1138 10mo ago
        I do apologize. However, it's also fairly bad faith for this other person to repeatedly accuse me of being a bot
        alex1138 10mo ago
        Also, many of my comments which are not controversial are similarly marked "flagged". Maybe that's a way to defuse flame wars, but it sure leaves a bad taste/bad optics
dang 10mo ago
> Maybe it’s a real person and I’m being an asshole here, but it’s hard to tell. The site guidelines are clear on this: you should assume that it's a real person and try your best to reel back these sorts of accusations, which are nearly always wrong, and nearly always driven by differences of background and (therefore) opinion. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I'm rushing out the door just now but here are a couple of past explanations about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35932851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35932851 (May 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722 (Oct 2024) (as well as https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... of course)

by lovich 10mo ago

alex1138 10mo ago

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rcxdude 10mo ago
Maybe, but someone engaged with you and your response showed it was utterly unproductive to do so. COVID may have been mishandled but it does nothing to justify the administrations decisions regarding healthcare. If that's the reason you think positively of the man then you should evaluate the rest of what he's said and done. If you have the time, two podcasts from this doctor which I think kind of highlight what's going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OF6vP-SkGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OF6vP-SkGA (where they have a frank discussion about what was done badly during COVID, including government lies) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBllzAb_vAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBllzAb_vAk (where they have a discussion with one of the leading researchers on nutrition, who has come into direct conflict with RFK Jr. because he doesn't say exactly what RFK Jr. believes to be the case, and has had papers censored and funding cut as a result)
- alex1138 10mo ago
  So if we're linking stuff (and please don't scream at me for Rumble, Youtube loves removing videos) here's one https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html I was initially trying to make a point that the ideological lines that people have drawn have made it so they automatically think RFK is anti-science and they as a consequence have a whole host of assumptions for which I don't even blame them if they haven't spent time reading up about it. I apologize for not countering every single point and going to covid but it's kind of worth pointing out that RFK a) raises some very substantive charges against Fauci for frankly war criminal like actions throughout his unfortunate history of practicing medicine and b) it wasn't "mismanagement". They did, seriously, the opposite of good practice (both accepted good practice and what was discovered in 2020 going forward) in just about every case If you're not sympathetic to that then of course you're going to disagree and you might think that the only reason someone like Musk bought X (and please don't think this is me Musk fanning, I dislike him for several reasons) is just to have a joyride (which is still possible); they used to ban so many people and real doctors for information that they didn't like and it was a serious problem and if they could do that for covid then they also did it for other things Edit: (see, I do know how to edit comments) here's it on Youtube which is the highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMONZMuS2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMONZMuS2U
lovich 10mo ago
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  - dang 10mo ago
    Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines? You're doing it quite badly. I don't want to ban you, but posts like this make it hard not to, because people will start accusing us of enforcing the rules unfairly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: perhaps this will help: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722. More at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20contrarian%20view&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....
    - alex1138 10mo ago
      I do apologize. However, it's also fairly bad faith for this other person to repeatedly accuse me of being a bot
      - alex1138 10mo ago
        Also, many of my comments which are not controversial are similarly marked "flagged". Maybe that's a way to defuse flame wars, but it sure leaves a bad taste/bad optics

dang 10mo ago

> Maybe it’s a real person and I’m being an asshole here, but it’s hard to tell. The site guidelines are clear on this: you should assume that it's a real person and try your best to reel back these sorts of accusations, which are nearly always wrong, and nearly always driven by differences of background and (therefore) opinion. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I'm rushing out the door just now but here are a couple of past explanations about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35932851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35932851 (May 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722 (Oct 2024) (as well as https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... of course)