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Given reasonable lead times on bookings, you'd need less cars on the road per trip than now. Especially since demand tends to be predictable. The really big wi

Given reasonable lead times on bookings, you'd need less cars on the road per trip than now. Especially since demand tends to be predictable. The really big win here is parking and time spent looking for it. Self-driving trips can just be shorter

idontwantthis 10mo ago
If you have 100 people who want to get somewhere in their own car at the same time, that requires a minimum of 100 cars. The lead time doesn’t factor into it. Parking is a problem because of our dependence on cars. You also don’t need to park if you take a bus or a train and the things you want to get to are built near the bus and train stations.
- JasonADrury 10mo ago
  Those cars have to spend less time on the road because they don't have to spend time on parking, this leads to less car-hours on the road for the same trips. Those cars will also be faster, safer and pick better routes than humans. > You also don’t need to park if you take a bus or a train and the things you want to get to are built near the bus and train stations. It is nonsensical to compare self-driving cars against buses or trains in a situation where we still have tons of private cars on the road. FSD can totally improve buses too, and well-designed multi-passenger vehicles can certainly easily end up making up most of the fleet. You could for example seat 4 people in completely isolated spaces without needing outrageously large vehicles. That'd be great for serving commutes where loads of people are going to the same areas.
  - idontwantthis 10mo ago
    We're not disagreeing with each other. If we can have robotaxis that primarily move more than 1 person at a time then that's a good thing. But if "loads of people are going to the same areas" then those robotaxis should resemble buses.
    - JasonADrury 10mo ago
      >But if "loads of people are going to the same areas" then those robotaxis should resemble buses. Should, but if you really want to sell it to the public, you want to keep the service as close as possible or better than what's currently available. That's more feasible with fewer passengers on a vehicle, too many stops will easily double your travel time.

idontwantthis 10mo ago

If you have 100 people who want to get somewhere in their own car at the same time, that requires a minimum of 100 cars. The lead time doesn’t factor into it. Parking is a problem because of our dependence on cars. You also don’t need to park if you take a bus or a train and the things you want to get to are built near the bus and train stations.

JasonADrury 10mo ago
Those cars have to spend less time on the road because they don't have to spend time on parking, this leads to less car-hours on the road for the same trips. Those cars will also be faster, safer and pick better routes than humans. > You also don’t need to park if you take a bus or a train and the things you want to get to are built near the bus and train stations. It is nonsensical to compare self-driving cars against buses or trains in a situation where we still have tons of private cars on the road. FSD can totally improve buses too, and well-designed multi-passenger vehicles can certainly easily end up making up most of the fleet. You could for example seat 4 people in completely isolated spaces without needing outrageously large vehicles. That'd be great for serving commutes where loads of people are going to the same areas.
- idontwantthis 10mo ago
  We're not disagreeing with each other. If we can have robotaxis that primarily move more than 1 person at a time then that's a good thing. But if "loads of people are going to the same areas" then those robotaxis should resemble buses.
  - JasonADrury 10mo ago
    >But if "loads of people are going to the same areas" then those robotaxis should resemble buses. Should, but if you really want to sell it to the public, you want to keep the service as close as possible or better than what's currently available. That's more feasible with fewer passengers on a vehicle, too many stops will easily double your travel time.