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> touch screen … climate The climate controls should be physical buttons. Touchscreen climate controls tend to be giant messes requiring multiple interactions

by amluto 10mo ago

> touch screen … climate The climate controls should be physical buttons. Touchscreen climate controls tend to be giant messes requiring multiple interactions and often (hi, Tesla!) have controls in unpredictable locations. And fine-tuning the climate while driving is not exactly unusual. Of course, physical buttons can be awful too. I’ve been in a Mercedes SUV where the A/C state is controlled by some bizarre split physical buttons and 100% of front passengers surveyed are entirely unable to confidently figure out what they do even after reading the test and contemplating for a while.

dzhiurgis 10mo ago
Changing temperature takes 0.5 seconds on Tesla. Yes you take eyes off the road. For 0.5 seconds. You can buy buttons if you have disability that makes it difficult to use touchscreens.
- linkage 10mo ago
  For decades, people have been able to change the temperature in their vehicles in less time and without taking their eyes off the road. Why defend an obvious regression? Tesla fans sung the praises of other stupid ideas like the Highland's indicator buttons and the Plaid's 'yoke', both of which were silently shelved after buyer dissatisfaction.
  - dzhiurgis 10mo ago
    Yoke was a mistake for sure (and FWIW works perfectly in Cybertruck because of steer by wire), but most people liked indicator buttons. The reversal is purely because social media pressure by people who never tried it. > Why defend an obvious regression? Because it's not a regression. Whenever I use my older cars with manual controls I see no benefit. Most of the time I still have to look at it - it has a dial or little screen to know what exact temperature you are setting.
sib 10mo ago
>> The climate controls should be physical buttons. So, if I'm using physical buttons, how do I set the temperature to 24° (75° for US-folks) without looking away from the road? Or set the radio to 106.9MHz? Or the cruise control to 88km/h (55mph)? In all cases, I still need to look at an indicator.
- amluto 10mo ago
  > So, if I'm using physical buttons, how do I set the temperature to 24° (75° for US-folks) without looking away from the road? You don’t. Instead you observe it’s a bit too warm and press the down button once or twice. Source: I used to do this regularly when I owned a car with excellent buttons. > Or set the radio to 106.9MHz? By pressing preset 6 by feel. Or by glancing for 1/4 second to find preset 6 (which is a clearly labeled button that never moves) and pressing it. > Or the cruise control to 88km/h (55mph)? By driving 55mph and pressing the stalk in the appropriate direction? This stuff was all worked out very nicely in the late 1980s by UX experts who put very serious effort into making cars with an excellent user experience.

by amluto 10mo ago

dzhiurgis 10mo ago

Changing temperature takes 0.5 seconds on Tesla. Yes you take eyes off the road. For 0.5 seconds. You can buy buttons if you have disability that makes it difficult to use touchscreens.

linkage 10mo ago
For decades, people have been able to change the temperature in their vehicles in less time and without taking their eyes off the road. Why defend an obvious regression? Tesla fans sung the praises of other stupid ideas like the Highland's indicator buttons and the Plaid's 'yoke', both of which were silently shelved after buyer dissatisfaction.
- dzhiurgis 10mo ago
  Yoke was a mistake for sure (and FWIW works perfectly in Cybertruck because of steer by wire), but most people liked indicator buttons. The reversal is purely because social media pressure by people who never tried it. > Why defend an obvious regression? Because it's not a regression. Whenever I use my older cars with manual controls I see no benefit. Most of the time I still have to look at it - it has a dial or little screen to know what exact temperature you are setting.

sib 10mo ago

>> The climate controls should be physical buttons. So, if I'm using physical buttons, how do I set the temperature to 24° (75° for US-folks) without looking away from the road? Or set the radio to 106.9MHz? Or the cruise control to 88km/h (55mph)? In all cases, I still need to look at an indicator.

amluto 10mo ago
> So, if I'm using physical buttons, how do I set the temperature to 24° (75° for US-folks) without looking away from the road? You don’t. Instead you observe it’s a bit too warm and press the down button once or twice. Source: I used to do this regularly when I owned a car with excellent buttons. > Or set the radio to 106.9MHz? By pressing preset 6 by feel. Or by glancing for 1/4 second to find preset 6 (which is a clearly labeled button that never moves) and pressing it. > Or the cruise control to 88km/h (55mph)? By driving 55mph and pressing the stalk in the appropriate direction? This stuff was all worked out very nicely in the late 1980s by UX experts who put very serious effort into making cars with an excellent user experience.