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There's actually a bit more to it than that. A lot of what Apple apps actually do is hidden in frameworks made for that one specific app, which, unlike with 3rd

There's actually a bit more to it than that. A lot of what Apple apps actually do is hidden in frameworks made for that one specific app, which, unlike with 3rd-party applications, are part of the system, not of the app itself. Compare the size of Safari.app versus Safari Technology Preview.app (which actually ships all the frameworks it needs).

HPsquared 10mo ago
Sounds like how Internet Explorer used to be integrated in Windows. That was quite contentious at the time!
- toyg 10mo ago
  '90s Microsoft was like early christians: harshly persecuted, only for everyone else to eventually adopt their ways. In this metaphor, emperor Constantine is probably Steve Jobs.
  - kasabali 10mo ago
    Harshly persecuted how, exactly? They got a slap on the wrist, still continued to ship IE as the default browser and stayed dominant browser vendor until another monopoly started to abuse its position.
    - toyg 10mo ago
      The verdict significantly hamstrung their internal developer processes. Yes, IE didn't go anywhere, but the path of tight integration of web and OS was effectively abandoned for several years, and they generally toned down integration features between their products.
- josephcsible 10mo ago
  Which brings up another point: the total used disk space of a Windows install with Internet Explorer and Outlook Express used to be way smaller than Gmail alone is now.
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morshu9001 10mo ago
Reminds me of when people were clamoring for the ability to delete 1P apps to save space
loloquwowndueo 10mo ago
If you have those apps handy and could share the sizes it would be very useful. I don’t have a way to check this. (Or do I? All I have is an iPhone )
- socalgal2 10mo ago
  Safari on MacOS is 66M, Safari Technology Preview is 226M
  - loloquwowndueo 10mo ago
    Yikes thanks. I remember when a full browser fit in a 1.44MB floppy disk.
stefanfisk 10mo ago
I don't think that Safari should be used for comparison here since web views have a special place in the OS. Which of the other stock apps have a similar architecture?
- miki123211 10mo ago
  All of them (except the downloadable ones like Xcode on Mac). With Safari it's a lot easier to see, as you can get the standalone version.

HPsquared 10mo ago

Sounds like how Internet Explorer used to be integrated in Windows. That was quite contentious at the time!

toyg 10mo ago
'90s Microsoft was like early christians: harshly persecuted, only for everyone else to eventually adopt their ways. In this metaphor, emperor Constantine is probably Steve Jobs.
- kasabali 10mo ago
  Harshly persecuted how, exactly? They got a slap on the wrist, still continued to ship IE as the default browser and stayed dominant browser vendor until another monopoly started to abuse its position.
  - toyg 10mo ago
    The verdict significantly hamstrung their internal developer processes. Yes, IE didn't go anywhere, but the path of tight integration of web and OS was effectively abandoned for several years, and they generally toned down integration features between their products.
josephcsible 10mo ago
Which brings up another point: the total used disk space of a Windows install with Internet Explorer and Outlook Express used to be way smaller than Gmail alone is now.
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morshu9001 10mo ago

Reminds me of when people were clamoring for the ability to delete 1P apps to save space

loloquwowndueo 10mo ago

If you have those apps handy and could share the sizes it would be very useful. I don’t have a way to check this. (Or do I? All I have is an iPhone )

socalgal2 10mo ago
Safari on MacOS is 66M, Safari Technology Preview is 226M
- loloquwowndueo 10mo ago
  Yikes thanks. I remember when a full browser fit in a 1.44MB floppy disk.

stefanfisk 10mo ago

I don't think that Safari should be used for comparison here since web views have a special place in the OS. Which of the other stock apps have a similar architecture?

miki123211 10mo ago
All of them (except the downloadable ones like Xcode on Mac). With Safari it's a lot easier to see, as you can get the standalone version.