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That’s public transportation except tiny vehicles taking one person at a time instead of large vehicles taking many. It’s not an improvement.

JasonADrury 10mo ago
Why do you think it's not an improvement over tiny vehicles used by only one person ever? A single Waymo can replace multiple private vehicles.
- 1970-01-01 10mo ago
  You could also create virtual paths, whereby you're heading north in one Waymo until say 38th street, and then you hop out and grab another waiting for you in just 30 seconds. Now you move east for 5 more blocks and arrive home without fiddling around at any other stops or stations.
  - JasonADrury 10mo ago
    Sure, and you could totally do this with multiple passengers at a time too. You could even profile your passengers to avoid any unpleasant partner choices, restrict this to specific hours, etc. You could even design vehicles for transporting multiple individual passengers in totally separate spaces. There are endless improvements to the status quo you can achieve with self driving vehicles, things which will simultaneously improve quality of life for literally everybody.
- idontwantthis 10mo ago
  It can replace multiple private vehicles sitting at home doing nothing. Moving individuals in individual vehicles cannot replace individual vehicles moving individual people on the road at one time.
1970-01-01 10mo ago
You assume FSD would jam traffic as it does with human drives, but you need to make the case for this as it's apples and oranges in terms of traffic. Why almost all traffic jams occur is distracted and poor driving.
- idontwantthis 10mo ago
  Why do you think that’s true? When 100 cars hit a decrease from 4 lanes to 3 you are going to have a jam no matter how the cars are driving. When we continue using individual transportation to allow suburbs to expand further and further from the places people want to go roads will continue to fill and traffic will slow and jam.
  - 1970-01-01 10mo ago
    Why do you think FSD cannot handle a simple zipper merge?
    - idontwantthis 10mo ago
      It can but it requires slowing down regardless. If you have the same number of vehicles doing a zipper merge you will have a jam. There’s no way around that. Add in that you will probably have to have vehicles with no passengers repositioning or picking up passengers it will quickly lead to as bad or worse congestion.
    - idontwantthis 10mo ago
      Just for another point, cars need to slow down to turn. There’s no way around that and it has nothing to do with reaction times. Robotaxis behind could anticipate that and slow down gradually to improve flow, but they still have to slow down just as much. We can make the roads straighter with more gentle curves and robotaxis can drive 100mph you say! Keep going…
      - 1970-01-01 10mo ago
        >cars need to slow down to turn. Cars traveling at a safe speed do not need to slow down in a turn. If the friction on the 4 wheels doesn't result in oversteer nor understeer, you just keep going through. So what are you referring to? Laws of nature? Laws of the road? .
        10mo ago

JasonADrury 10mo ago

Why do you think it's not an improvement over tiny vehicles used by only one person ever? A single Waymo can replace multiple private vehicles.

1970-01-01 10mo ago
You could also create virtual paths, whereby you're heading north in one Waymo until say 38th street, and then you hop out and grab another waiting for you in just 30 seconds. Now you move east for 5 more blocks and arrive home without fiddling around at any other stops or stations.
- JasonADrury 10mo ago
  Sure, and you could totally do this with multiple passengers at a time too. You could even profile your passengers to avoid any unpleasant partner choices, restrict this to specific hours, etc. You could even design vehicles for transporting multiple individual passengers in totally separate spaces. There are endless improvements to the status quo you can achieve with self driving vehicles, things which will simultaneously improve quality of life for literally everybody.
idontwantthis 10mo ago
It can replace multiple private vehicles sitting at home doing nothing. Moving individuals in individual vehicles cannot replace individual vehicles moving individual people on the road at one time.

1970-01-01 10mo ago

You assume FSD would jam traffic as it does with human drives, but you need to make the case for this as it's apples and oranges in terms of traffic. Why almost all traffic jams occur is distracted and poor driving.

idontwantthis 10mo ago
Why do you think that’s true? When 100 cars hit a decrease from 4 lanes to 3 you are going to have a jam no matter how the cars are driving. When we continue using individual transportation to allow suburbs to expand further and further from the places people want to go roads will continue to fill and traffic will slow and jam.
- 1970-01-01 10mo ago
  Why do you think FSD cannot handle a simple zipper merge?
  - idontwantthis 10mo ago
    It can but it requires slowing down regardless. If you have the same number of vehicles doing a zipper merge you will have a jam. There’s no way around that. Add in that you will probably have to have vehicles with no passengers repositioning or picking up passengers it will quickly lead to as bad or worse congestion.
  - idontwantthis 10mo ago
    Just for another point, cars need to slow down to turn. There’s no way around that and it has nothing to do with reaction times. Robotaxis behind could anticipate that and slow down gradually to improve flow, but they still have to slow down just as much. We can make the roads straighter with more gentle curves and robotaxis can drive 100mph you say! Keep going…
    - 1970-01-01 10mo ago
      >cars need to slow down to turn. Cars traveling at a safe speed do not need to slow down in a turn. If the friction on the 4 wheels doesn't result in oversteer nor understeer, you just keep going through. So what are you referring to? Laws of nature? Laws of the road? .
      - 10mo ago