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I don't like Bootstrap.
I need to fight it to undo rather than do.
It doesn't center elements, spans have an extra 20px on the right, and it sets elements at specific heights and widths without me wanting it to.
- deveshz 14y agoEveryone is using Bootstrap these days. Have you tried this: http://imperavi.com/kube/ http://imperavi.com/kube/
- mcartyem 14y agoI just looked at it and it seems worse. It doesn't show examples of how it does the things it does. You can't even tell what to undo.
- bizlia 14y agoI personally haven't used it but I really like it. You can customize it to your liking though...
- munyukim 14y agoWell you can try http://www.blueprintcss.org/ http://www.blueprintcss.org/
- eduardordm 14y agoWhen I first read "I need to fight it to undo...". I thought "yep, I regret using it too". After a second thought: It saved me a lot of time. It helped me create a "pattern" when creating documents and, at the end, you can just remove it and implement the classes from scratch. That said, yes, you do like bootstrap. :D
- duiker101 14y agoI think the idea of bootstrap was to have something to quickly setup a website for a concept or MVP, but then it became a "standard" for larger project and extended implementations. That is not what it was made for. It is not to achieve a perfect design, is to build something quickly. If you want something more robust to build on you should really look somewhere else.
- 147 14y agoYou should try giving foundation a shot. http://foundation.zurb.com/ http://foundation.zurb.com/ I started using it over bootstrap and I'm starting to like it a lot.
- mcartyem 14y agoWhat makes it different? Does it suffer from the same centering problems too?
- mcartyem 14y agoTheir centering doesn't work either. The code from the following link demonstrates that (change "span6" to "six columns") http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4652191 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4652191
- mcartyem 14y agoHow do people like http://960.gs http://960.gs ?
- krapp 14y agoskeleton + twig + laravel = no complaints.
- bmelton 14y agoI actively dislike 960, and instead prefer Skeleton[1] which does the same thing as 960 but (in my opinion) better and more cleanly. The only major difference is syntax, though skeleton's approach is more semantically correct. Before you try it and start complaining though, I have no idea if it will center how you like. [1] - http://getskeleton.com/ http://getskeleton.com/
- 97-109-107 14y agoI used http://www.getskeleton.com/ http://www.getskeleton.com/ with satisfactory results
- flexxaeon 14y agoBootstrap isn't for everyone/everything. Never gonna put it on any front facing websites. But for alphas and admin areas, Bootstrap is a blessing from heaven.
- mcartyem 14y agoAm I the only person on earth that noticed Bootstrap's problem of not centering anything? How do people handle this?
- seiji 14y agoExamples?
- mcartyem 14y agoBasically: <div class="row"> <div class="span6"> Hello </div> <div class="span6"> Uncentered World </div> </div> and compare it with: <center> Centered </center> Note there are extra 20px at the end. Resizing the window makes everything drag to the left. So much for having a grid.
- seiji 14y agomake sure your rows are in containers. container row span6 span6
- tangue 14y agoBootstrap has no problem with centering juste apply the pagination-centered class on the element you want to center. ... <center> Centered </center> <div class="container pagination-centered"> Centered too </div> ... span6 creates an element of width 460px which like all elements starting with span has a margin of 20px on the left. It's not a way of centering elements.
- corny 14y agoI've lately been using a combination of HTML5 Boilerplate and Chris Coyier's "don't overthink it" grid system to start a project. The result is just a basic prototype/wireframe. It's not too hard to skin and make nice. Adding modules later from Bootstrap and Foundation, as needed, is not hard to do. I much prefer that than starting with one large framework and hoping I'll have the inclination to refactor later. I'm normally not a fan of grid systems but Chris Coyier's grid system uses percents instead of pixels and is very lightweight. http://css-tricks.com/dont-overthink-it-grids/ http://css-tricks.com/dont-overthink-it-grids/
- michaelbuddy 14y agoare you me, because I've been thinking the exact same thing. the centering thing had me laughing too. I had this shock about me. 5000 lines and no centered div auto margin. eek.
- jameswyse 14y agoI'm moving away from bootstrap too, it's nice in the beginning but when you start implementing your own design you end up having to override everything and it just seems like a waste of time. For my latest project I just started from scratch by building my own framework using Stylus, that way I can also avoid messing up my HTML with loads of additional classes.
- EnderMB 14y agoBootstrap is in a class of its own for exactly what it is supposed to do; to allow a user to quickly set up a concept or prototype site. The reason why I don't like Bootstrap is because many people use it like a free design template. A seasoned designer or developer can spot a Bootstrap site straight away because they're mostly used straight into production because "it follows best design practices". The huge rise in extensions and colour themes to Bootstrap only prove this.
- ProblemFactory 14y agoBootstrap as a "free design template" is great, when hiring a professional graphic designer and CSS expert are not an option. And even when it is, most restaurant websites in the world would be better off with a standard Bootstrap template rather than the horrid Flash+PDF designs that they currently use.
- EnderMB 14y agoSellotape is great when hiring a plumber isn't an option. It still doesn't make it a good solution when you want your sink to stop leaking. It's comments like these that make me wish I could downvote. It's this mentality that leads to Bootstrap being abused in the way I mentioned above.