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Lunar Lake integrated DRAM on the package, which was faster and more power efficient, this reverts that. They also replaced part of the chip from being sourced

Lunar Lake integrated DRAM on the package, which was faster and more power efficient, this reverts that. They also replaced part of the chip from being sourced from TSMC to from themselves. And if their foundry is competitive, they should be shaking other foundry customers down the way TSMC is. If they have actually mostly caught up to TSMC, props, but also, I wish they hadn't given up on EUV for so long. Instead they decided to ship chips overclocked so high they burn out in months.

ajross 10mo ago
I don't see how any of that substantiates "Panther Lake and 18A are just cost cutting efforts vs. Lunar Lake". It mostly just sounds like another boring platform flame.
- hnuser123456 10mo ago
  I'll let Intel speak for themselves here: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/lunar-lakes-integrated-memory-is-an-expensive-one-off-intel-rejects-the-approach-for-future-cpus-due-to-margin-impact https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/lunar-lakes-...
  - ajross 10mo ago
    Again, you're talking about the design of Panther Lake, the CPU IC. No one cares, it's a CPU. The news here is the launch of the Intel 18A semiconductor process and the discussion as to if and how it narrows or closes the gap with TSMC. Trying to play this news off as "only cost cutting" is, to be blunt, insane. That's not what's happening at all.
    - Tostino 10mo ago
      I'm not GP, but I think that it really doesn't matter if Intel is able to sell this process to other companies. But if they're only producing their own chips on it, that's quite a valid criticism.
      - ajross 10mo ago
        And for the fourth time, it may be a valid "criticism" in the sense of "Does Intel Suck or Rule?". It does not validate the idea that this product release, which introduces the most competitive process from this company in over a decade, is merely a "cost reduction" change.
        hnuser123456 10mo ago
        It's only as exciting as a cost reduction because they're playing catch-up by trying to not need to outsource their highest performance silicon. Let me know when Intel gets perf/watt to be high enough to be of interest to Apple, gamers, or anyone who isn't just buying a basic PC because their old one died, or an Intel server because that's what they've always had. Every single performance figure in TFA is compared to their own older generations, not to competitors.
ac29 10mo ago
> Lunar Lake integrated DRAM on the package, which was faster and more power efficient, this reverts that. On package memory is slightly more power efficient but it isnt any faster, it still uses industry standard LPDDR. And Panther Lake supports faster LPDDR than Lunar Lake, so its definitely not a regression.

ajross 10mo ago

I don't see how any of that substantiates "Panther Lake and 18A are just cost cutting efforts vs. Lunar Lake". It mostly just sounds like another boring platform flame.

hnuser123456 10mo ago
I'll let Intel speak for themselves here: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/lunar-lakes-integrated-memory-is-an-expensive-one-off-intel-rejects-the-approach-for-future-cpus-due-to-margin-impact https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/lunar-lakes-...
- ajross 10mo ago
  Again, you're talking about the design of Panther Lake, the CPU IC. No one cares, it's a CPU. The news here is the launch of the Intel 18A semiconductor process and the discussion as to if and how it narrows or closes the gap with TSMC. Trying to play this news off as "only cost cutting" is, to be blunt, insane. That's not what's happening at all.
  - Tostino 10mo ago
    I'm not GP, but I think that it really doesn't matter if Intel is able to sell this process to other companies. But if they're only producing their own chips on it, that's quite a valid criticism.
    - ajross 10mo ago
      And for the fourth time, it may be a valid "criticism" in the sense of "Does Intel Suck or Rule?". It does not validate the idea that this product release, which introduces the most competitive process from this company in over a decade, is merely a "cost reduction" change.
      - hnuser123456 10mo ago
        It's only as exciting as a cost reduction because they're playing catch-up by trying to not need to outsource their highest performance silicon. Let me know when Intel gets perf/watt to be high enough to be of interest to Apple, gamers, or anyone who isn't just buying a basic PC because their old one died, or an Intel server because that's what they've always had. Every single performance figure in TFA is compared to their own older generations, not to competitors.

ac29 10mo ago

> Lunar Lake integrated DRAM on the package, which was faster and more power efficient, this reverts that. On package memory is slightly more power efficient but it isnt any faster, it still uses industry standard LPDDR. And Panther Lake supports faster LPDDR than Lunar Lake, so its definitely not a regression.