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It's a personal blog of someone living in Armenia. What's the EU going to do? Despite what many EU citizens may think, EU laws don't apply to the world.

by Alupis 9mo ago

latexr 9mo ago
If they didn’t care about those laws, they wouldn’t need the notice. Since they do, they do. Why are you even mad? This doesn’t affect you, it is not directed at you, and is trying to be a helpful clarification to the author. If they care about compliance, presumably they care about doing it right. > Despite what many EU citizens may think, EU laws don't apply to the world. I’m a EU citizen living in the EU and have never encountered or heard of anyone with that belief.
- ndr 9mo ago
  > I’m a EU citizen living in the EU and have never encountered or heard of anyone with that belief. See 4chan vs OSA. EU is similarly trying to legislate for the world, and it will work until someone calls on their bluff. I'm in EU most of the time and like most benefits of GDPR (right to access and delete? Great!) But sometimes they overplay their hand.
  - latexr 9mo ago
    > See 4chan vs OSA. OSA is a UK legislation. The UK is not in the EU. > EU is similarly trying to legislate for the world, and it will work until someone calls on their bluff. That’s an opinion. The Brussels Effect is real, but that’s not the same as “many EU citizens think EU laws apply to the world”.
    - ndr 9mo ago
      Is it an opinion? And try to check EU GDPR territoriality and tell me whether you're of a different opinion: https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/rules-business-and-organisations/application-regulation/who-does-data-protection-law-apply_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r... > The GDPR applies to: > a company or entity which [...]; or > a company established outside the EU and is offering goods/services (paid or for free) or is monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU. Now imagine running a forum or any other service from outside of the EU, on the open web. Does the EU think GDPR applies to you?
      - latexr 9mo ago
        All that means is that if you operate in the EU, you must follow EU rules. Which isn’t weird at all, it’s perfectly normal that if you wish to operate in one place, you follow the rules of the place. You are free to not operate in that place and not follow the rules. In other words, that doesn’t mean “EU laws apply to the world”, it means “EU laws apply to whoever operates in the EU”.
  - master-lincoln 9mo ago
    > EU is similarly trying to legislate for the world, and it will work until someone calls on their bluff. Any source for that? GDPR only applies to companies having a branch in the EU or offering services targeted at EU citizens: https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/rules-business-and-organisations/application-regulation/who-does-data-protection-law-apply_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r...
    - ndr 9mo ago
      You might have missed the second branch of that "or": > a company established outside the EU and is offering goods/services (paid or for free) or is monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU. If you serve traffic to the EU (like any website on the open web as originally intended) you fall into that.
- nananana9 9mo ago
  Multi-billion dollar companies have GDPR-violating cookie banners, and nobody cares. In the case of blogs like this, they don't really care about compliance, it's just LARPing. "Serious websites have cookie banners, so I'll put a cookie banner too!" It's the same as putting "no copyright infringement intended" into your YouTube video description.
  - latexr 9mo ago
    > Multi-billion dollar companies have GDPR-violating cookie banners, and nobody cares. Not true. In fact, those banners are in general way more compliant than before due to the work of organisations like https://noyb.eu/ https://noyb.eu/. They have also successfully led numerous initiatives to fine those companies and fix non-compliance. Usually at this point is when someone comes along to move the goalpost to “but those aren’t very affective”, or “but they still do it”. Sure, argue against malicious compliance and results all you want, I’m simply pointing out that it’s not true at all that “nobody cares”. Enough people care enough that entire organisations exist with that mission. > In the case of blogs like this, they don't really care about compliance, it's just LARPing. Maybe. If they don’t care, they can simply ignore my advice. If they do care, they can follow it. Either way, there is no situation in which my sharing of the law is negative.
croes 9mo ago
Just wait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Armenia_to_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Armenia_to_the_Eu...

It's a personal blog of someone living in Armenia. What's the EU going to do? Despite what many EU citizens may think, EU laws don't apply to the world.

by Alupis 9mo ago

It's a personal blog of someone living in Armenia. What's the EU going to do? Despite what many EU citizens may think, EU laws don't apply to the world.

latexr 9mo ago

If they didn’t care about those laws, they wouldn’t need the notice. Since they do, they do. Why are you even mad? This doesn’t affect you, it is not directed at you, and is trying to be a helpful clarification to the author. If they care about compliance, presumably they care about doing it right. > Despite what many EU citizens may think, EU laws don't apply to the world. I’m a EU citizen living in the EU and have never encountered or heard of anyone with that belief.

ndr 9mo ago
> I’m a EU citizen living in the EU and have never encountered or heard of anyone with that belief. See 4chan vs OSA. EU is similarly trying to legislate for the world, and it will work until someone calls on their bluff. I'm in EU most of the time and like most benefits of GDPR (right to access and delete? Great!) But sometimes they overplay their hand.
- latexr 9mo ago
  > See 4chan vs OSA. OSA is a UK legislation. The UK is not in the EU. > EU is similarly trying to legislate for the world, and it will work until someone calls on their bluff. That’s an opinion. The Brussels Effect is real, but that’s not the same as “many EU citizens think EU laws apply to the world”.
  - ndr 9mo ago
    Is it an opinion? And try to check EU GDPR territoriality and tell me whether you're of a different opinion: https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/rules-business-and-organisations/application-regulation/who-does-data-protection-law-apply_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r... > The GDPR applies to: > a company or entity which [...]; or > a company established outside the EU and is offering goods/services (paid or for free) or is monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU. Now imagine running a forum or any other service from outside of the EU, on the open web. Does the EU think GDPR applies to you?
    - latexr 9mo ago
      All that means is that if you operate in the EU, you must follow EU rules. Which isn’t weird at all, it’s perfectly normal that if you wish to operate in one place, you follow the rules of the place. You are free to not operate in that place and not follow the rules. In other words, that doesn’t mean “EU laws apply to the world”, it means “EU laws apply to whoever operates in the EU”.
- master-lincoln 9mo ago
  > EU is similarly trying to legislate for the world, and it will work until someone calls on their bluff. Any source for that? GDPR only applies to companies having a branch in the EU or offering services targeted at EU citizens: https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/rules-business-and-organisations/application-regulation/who-does-data-protection-law-apply_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r...
  - ndr 9mo ago
    You might have missed the second branch of that "or": > a company established outside the EU and is offering goods/services (paid or for free) or is monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU. If you serve traffic to the EU (like any website on the open web as originally intended) you fall into that.
nananana9 9mo ago
Multi-billion dollar companies have GDPR-violating cookie banners, and nobody cares. In the case of blogs like this, they don't really care about compliance, it's just LARPing. "Serious websites have cookie banners, so I'll put a cookie banner too!" It's the same as putting "no copyright infringement intended" into your YouTube video description.
- latexr 9mo ago
  > Multi-billion dollar companies have GDPR-violating cookie banners, and nobody cares. Not true. In fact, those banners are in general way more compliant than before due to the work of organisations like https://noyb.eu/ https://noyb.eu/. They have also successfully led numerous initiatives to fine those companies and fix non-compliance. Usually at this point is when someone comes along to move the goalpost to “but those aren’t very affective”, or “but they still do it”. Sure, argue against malicious compliance and results all you want, I’m simply pointing out that it’s not true at all that “nobody cares”. Enough people care enough that entire organisations exist with that mission. > In the case of blogs like this, they don't really care about compliance, it's just LARPing. Maybe. If they don’t care, they can simply ignore my advice. If they do care, they can follow it. Either way, there is no situation in which my sharing of the law is negative.

croes 9mo ago

Just wait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Armenia_to_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Armenia_to_the_Eu...