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While no one likes racists: A crime against someone you disagree with is still a crime. A crime against someone you despise is still a crime. A crime against

by thefz 9mo ago

While no one likes racists: A crime against someone you disagree with is still a crime. A crime against someone you despise is still a crime. A crime against someone who commits a crime is still a crime. So good intent, very, very bad execution, IMO.

immibis 9mo ago
Here we see an example of the law-and-order personality type, where the most important thing is to follow the law.
- thefz 9mo ago
  That is kind of the point of a law, to be impartial. Without it we might as well go back to the stone age.
  - justacrow 9mo ago
    "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
  - immibis 9mo ago
    Sometimes laws are bad - but people in Kohlberg stage 4 don't think so. There are many obvious historical counterexamples to laws being neutral, or good.
    - thefz 9mo ago
      I am simply not for vigilante justice
- ZebusJesus 9mo ago
  Yeah and DnD has lawful evil as an alignment for a reason!
tcfhgj 9mo ago
A act against someone random may be a crime. The same against someone committing a crime, may not be a crime.
- thefz 9mo ago
  Well, in your own personal version of justice
  - tcfhgj 9mo ago
    law in my country
    - dijit 9mo ago
      What country? In the UK Vigilante justice is punished extremely hard. If you commit a crime in the commission of preventing crime you will go to jail. There's a couple of things that are permitted and they're outlined as "detainment without excessive force" - for citizens arrest, and then it's only for the duration until a relevant authority can be called... with a maximum term of time that authority must be called.. It's extremely limited. And one of the offences specifically not permissible for citizens arrest is inciting racial hatred. https://www.westminstersecurity.co.uk/news/citizens-arrest-uk-law/ https://www.westminstersecurity.co.uk/news/citizens-arrest-u...
      - tcfhgj 9mo ago
        Germany
        dijit 9mo ago
        So, self-defence laws in Germany apply to property also. But it seems like they're also very restrictive on what you're permitted to do. Hacking has no justification in law. in 2021 there was new laws added to help security researchers, but that goes out of the window as soon as you release private information (which has no justification in German law and may get you 2 years of prison time). So, at least in the context of this thread; committing a crime in the comission of stopping a crime is not legal. Or were you referencing something else?

by thefz 9mo ago

immibis 9mo ago

Here we see an example of the law-and-order personality type, where the most important thing is to follow the law.

thefz 9mo ago
That is kind of the point of a law, to be impartial. Without it we might as well go back to the stone age.
- justacrow 9mo ago
  "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
- immibis 9mo ago
  Sometimes laws are bad - but people in Kohlberg stage 4 don't think so. There are many obvious historical counterexamples to laws being neutral, or good.
  - thefz 9mo ago
    I am simply not for vigilante justice
ZebusJesus 9mo ago
Yeah and DnD has lawful evil as an alignment for a reason!

tcfhgj 9mo ago

A act against someone random may be a crime. The same against someone committing a crime, may not be a crime.

thefz 9mo ago
Well, in your own personal version of justice
- tcfhgj 9mo ago
  law in my country
  - dijit 9mo ago
    What country? In the UK Vigilante justice is punished extremely hard. If you commit a crime in the commission of preventing crime you will go to jail. There's a couple of things that are permitted and they're outlined as "detainment without excessive force" - for citizens arrest, and then it's only for the duration until a relevant authority can be called... with a maximum term of time that authority must be called.. It's extremely limited. And one of the offences specifically not permissible for citizens arrest is inciting racial hatred. https://www.westminstersecurity.co.uk/news/citizens-arrest-uk-law/ https://www.westminstersecurity.co.uk/news/citizens-arrest-u...
    - tcfhgj 9mo ago
      Germany
      - dijit 9mo ago
        So, self-defence laws in Germany apply to property also. But it seems like they're also very restrictive on what you're permitted to do. Hacking has no justification in law. in 2021 there was new laws added to help security researchers, but that goes out of the window as soon as you release private information (which has no justification in German law and may get you 2 years of prison time). So, at least in the context of this thread; committing a crime in the comission of stopping a crime is not legal. Or were you referencing something else?