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Apple is forced to offer longer warranties in some non-US countries. In these countries, the price of the product is simply higher, to account for this. So basi

by apparent 10mo ago

Apple is forced to offer longer warranties in some non-US countries. In these countries, the price of the product is simply higher, to account for this. So basically consumers are forced to pay for an extended warranty in those countries, whereas if they bought them in the US (as some do on vacation), they get them cheaper but without the extended warranty. I would agree that a product that supposedly has a 30 day battery life (PT2) should have a warranty that lasts longer than 30 days. This is especially true if the software optimizations haven't been completed at the time the watches ship. Otherwise it's just impossible to reliably assess whether the product is actually defective during the return window.

leoedin 10mo ago
> In these countries, the price of the product is simply higher, to account for this Maybe on the individual level, but the aggregate effect is that manufacturers are incentivised to save money by increasing reliability. Which is a good thing for everyone.
- apparent 10mo ago
  I mean, it's good for the people in America and other shorter-warranty countries, who get to free-ride on any enhanced reliability that this results in. But honestly I've had Macs that still work 15 years after I bought them, and iPhones that work for easily 6 or 7. That's not because AU or EU require a somewhat longer warranty, I don't think.
  - TheDong 10mo ago
    > good for America and other shorter-warranty countries, who get to free-ride on any enhanced reliability that this results in. The EU mandates that in the EU you can change your default navigation app from Apple Maps to Google Maps. The US isn't getting to free-ride on that, that only works if you move to an EU country. Why wouldn't apple do the same for US vs EU, if EU has a longer required warranty period, apple can bin processors so the US gets more likely to fail processors and the EU gets more stable chips. It would be the sort of vindictive malicious compliance apple has been doing with everything else, so I wouldn't put it past them.
  - rollcat 10mo ago
    > But honestly I've had Macs that still work 15 years after I bought them [...]. 2002 PowerBook user checking in. Not great for "modern" work, CPU gets really hot compiling "simple" stuff like git or libressl, but OSX 10.5 is a superior user experience to macOS 15. Still great for lightweight web browsing (disable JS!), some coding (Python 2.7.14!), classic games (StarCraft! from a *box*!).
    - apparent 10mo ago
      Amazing. I have a 17 year old iMac that still works OK. I don't use it often, but I remember the first time I booted it with an SSD over FW800 and I was like damn, this is a brand new machine.

leoedin 10mo ago

> In these countries, the price of the product is simply higher, to account for this Maybe on the individual level, but the aggregate effect is that manufacturers are incentivised to save money by increasing reliability. Which is a good thing for everyone.

apparent 10mo ago
I mean, it's good for the people in America and other shorter-warranty countries, who get to free-ride on any enhanced reliability that this results in. But honestly I've had Macs that still work 15 years after I bought them, and iPhones that work for easily 6 or 7. That's not because AU or EU require a somewhat longer warranty, I don't think.
- TheDong 10mo ago
  > good for America and other shorter-warranty countries, who get to free-ride on any enhanced reliability that this results in. The EU mandates that in the EU you can change your default navigation app from Apple Maps to Google Maps. The US isn't getting to free-ride on that, that only works if you move to an EU country. Why wouldn't apple do the same for US vs EU, if EU has a longer required warranty period, apple can bin processors so the US gets more likely to fail processors and the EU gets more stable chips. It would be the sort of vindictive malicious compliance apple has been doing with everything else, so I wouldn't put it past them.
- rollcat 10mo ago
  > But honestly I've had Macs that still work 15 years after I bought them [...]. 2002 PowerBook user checking in. Not great for "modern" work, CPU gets really hot compiling "simple" stuff like git or libressl, but OSX 10.5 is a superior user experience to macOS 15. Still great for lightweight web browsing (disable JS!), some coding (Python 2.7.14!), classic games (StarCraft! from a *box*!).
  - apparent 10mo ago
    Amazing. I have a 17 year old iMac that still works OK. I don't use it often, but I remember the first time I booted it with an SSD over FW800 and I was like damn, this is a brand new machine.