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I can only speak for the people I know well (I know people from lots of different backgrounds here), but I can confidently say that every one of them would love

by ninkendo 10mo ago

I can only speak for the people I know well (I know people from lots of different backgrounds here), but I can confidently say that every one of them would love EVs if charging stations were everywhere and charged in 10 minutes. There may be a real chicken-and-egg problem with building the charging stations, but if it were magically fixed and ultra fast charging stations were ubiquitous overnight, I think minds would change overnight as well. It’s just nobody has the motivation to take the financial hit to build them and jump-start things. My point being that they’re not irrational, and it’s not EV hatred that is driving it.

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Workaccount2 10mo ago
The biggest issue is that people think EV's are gas cars that have electricity instead of gasoline, with the main difference being you have to sit at the "gas pump" for 45 minutes instead of 2. But the way you daily an EV is totally different than a gas car, and even the way you travel is totally different. People have no concept of EV ownership, so they just go with the gas model that they know. But it is totally incorrect.
- gettingoverit 10mo ago
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- ninkendo 10mo ago
  > The biggest issue is that people think EV's are gas cars that have electricity instead of gasoline, with the main difference being you have to sit at the "gas pump" for 45 minutes instead of 2. If you don’t live in a conventional house with access to overnight charging, this is exactly what EV’s are. But we keep talking down to people like this, as if every non-EV owner must just be stupid or something.
  - Workaccount2 10mo ago
    We're not speaking down to people like that, we are telling them they are not part of the conversation. You really shouldn't get an EV if you cannot plug in overnight.
yencabulator 10mo ago
> I can confidently say that every one of them would love EVs if [...] And I can confidently say I see rural pickup owners rolling coal about weekly, so no, they will not be loving EVs, because it hampers them destroying their surroundings.
- azinman2 10mo ago
  I cannot understand “rolling coal” at all. I’d love to know more about the psychology of this and what makes it so attractive that you actually spend money and time to do so.
  - rootusrootus 10mo ago
    It's uncomplicated. I have coal rolling enthusiasts in my extended family. They're flag waving 'patriots' who have legitimately drank all the Kool-aid and believe that everyone to their left hates the country and is trying to destroy it in any way possible. And since the left-leaning folks often support green energy and efforts to reduce damage from the impending climate disaster, that hatred manifests as doing whatever they think is the polar opposite of what their left-leaning friends and family would like. It is precisely the same motivation that underlies embracing the 'deplorables' moniker (I think none of them actually read the whole remark) by intentionally acting like an asshole. It's not issues based at all, they really are playing hard core identity politics and they consider anyone who disagrees with them to be morally contemptible and inhuman.
- ninkendo 10mo ago
  As I said, I am only talking about people I know personally. Not everyone is like that, please stop lumping everyone together. Not everyone who dislikes EV’s is doing so irrationally. Not every one of them is a moronic anti-environmentalist. Most people are just trying to get by and they’re looking at what they think is best for them. Thinking everyone who disagrees with you must be a backwards coal-rolling moron is… not a great approach. You can do better.
  - rootusrootus 10mo ago
rootusrootus 10mo ago
> My point being that they’re not irrational, and it’s not EV hatred that is driving it. That's just your particular bubble. I have met very few anti-EV folk who were not deeply political about it. They don't oppose EVs on rational grounds, they only have the talking points. Matters not at all to them that the talking points were proven false years ago.

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Workaccount2 10mo ago

The biggest issue is that people think EV's are gas cars that have electricity instead of gasoline, with the main difference being you have to sit at the "gas pump" for 45 minutes instead of 2. But the way you daily an EV is totally different than a gas car, and even the way you travel is totally different. People have no concept of EV ownership, so they just go with the gas model that they know. But it is totally incorrect.

gettingoverit 10mo ago
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ninkendo 10mo ago
> The biggest issue is that people think EV's are gas cars that have electricity instead of gasoline, with the main difference being you have to sit at the "gas pump" for 45 minutes instead of 2. If you don’t live in a conventional house with access to overnight charging, this is exactly what EV’s are. But we keep talking down to people like this, as if every non-EV owner must just be stupid or something.
- Workaccount2 10mo ago
  We're not speaking down to people like that, we are telling them they are not part of the conversation. You really shouldn't get an EV if you cannot plug in overnight.

yencabulator 10mo ago

> I can confidently say that every one of them would love EVs if [...] And I can confidently say I see rural pickup owners rolling coal about weekly, so no, they will not be loving EVs, because it hampers them destroying their surroundings.

azinman2 10mo ago
I cannot understand “rolling coal” at all. I’d love to know more about the psychology of this and what makes it so attractive that you actually spend money and time to do so.
- rootusrootus 10mo ago
  It's uncomplicated. I have coal rolling enthusiasts in my extended family. They're flag waving 'patriots' who have legitimately drank all the Kool-aid and believe that everyone to their left hates the country and is trying to destroy it in any way possible. And since the left-leaning folks often support green energy and efforts to reduce damage from the impending climate disaster, that hatred manifests as doing whatever they think is the polar opposite of what their left-leaning friends and family would like. It is precisely the same motivation that underlies embracing the 'deplorables' moniker (I think none of them actually read the whole remark) by intentionally acting like an asshole. It's not issues based at all, they really are playing hard core identity politics and they consider anyone who disagrees with them to be morally contemptible and inhuman.
ninkendo 10mo ago
As I said, I am only talking about people I know personally. Not everyone is like that, please stop lumping everyone together. Not everyone who dislikes EV’s is doing so irrationally. Not every one of them is a moronic anti-environmentalist. Most people are just trying to get by and they’re looking at what they think is best for them. Thinking everyone who disagrees with you must be a backwards coal-rolling moron is… not a great approach. You can do better.
- rootusrootus 10mo ago

rootusrootus 10mo ago

> My point being that they’re not irrational, and it’s not EV hatred that is driving it. That's just your particular bubble. I have met very few anti-EV folk who were not deeply political about it. They don't oppose EVs on rational grounds, they only have the talking points. Matters not at all to them that the talking points were proven false years ago.