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So solid state battery tech is very likely on-schedule for mass production over the next 4 years. There really isn't much time left for the haters to post stori

by 1970-01-01 10mo ago

So solid state battery tech is very likely on-schedule for mass production over the next 4 years. There really isn't much time left for the haters to post stories attempting to factually dismantle and dismiss EVs before EVs pass the 51% adoption curve in 2030.

xbmcuser 10mo ago
For me current battery tech is already good enough for passenger ev they cant even use the full charging speed capacity or the charge discharge cycles. Solid state batteries might be useful for heavy duty trucking or aeroplanes/drones
- wat10000 10mo ago
  Cost, volume, and weight are still significant constraints. Existing batteries obviously can make for some good cars, but they could be better. It doesn’t have to be more range or faster charging, it could be the same range and charging speed but 25% lighter and cheaper.
  - xbmcuser 10mo ago
    Cost is no longer a concern as today LFP batteries and electric motor price is cheaper than an ice engine in China. Though my main point is that there is a lack of infrastructure to charge at full speed current batteries so higher capacity faster charging solid state batteries are mostly pointless when you cant charge them fast or to full capacity.
    - wat10000 10mo ago
      It's still a major expense. Reducing costs is good. Higher capacity and faster charging doesn't have to actually mean more capacity and faster charging. It can mean smaller and lighter for the same capacity and charging speed. If you have a technology with 10x the energy density, you can build a car that goes 3000 miles on a charge, or you can build a car that goes 300 miles on a charge and has a battery only 10% the size/weight. (In practice a even a bit less than that, since the reduced size/weight will reduce how much energy you use per mile.)
  - rootusrootus 10mo ago
    A Model 3 doesn't weigh significantly more than a comparable ICE car, so I think weight isn't a huge deal. And it costs less to put in a new battery than it does to buy a new engine, so it seems like we're in an okay spot. And since battery tech reliably gets better every year, the future looks bright.
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givemeethekeys 10mo ago
I will wait until the reviews and 3rd party lab tests come out before getting excited.
cosmic_cheese 10mo ago
Even as things currently stand, some folks just have a bone to pick with EVs. Even if future models have an 800mi range, can charge to 100% in 5 minutes, and have useful lifetimes as long or longer than ICE counterparts, some will figure out some reason to get angry about them.
- senordevnyc 10mo ago
  It's fine, those folks can just get angrier and angrier as the market makes their ICE cars more and more difficult and expensive to own.
  - stonogo 10mo ago
    I'm still waiting for the EV that's a car instead of some kind of techbro reimagining of personal transportation with a 27" tv glued to the dash. So far the plug-in hybrid market is figuring that out first -- the Mazda CX90 is a real car. The VW ID3 gets close, but it still feels like someone tried to design a B-movie space ship. There's a great market out there willing to buy B-movie space ships, but if EVs are going to be the default (and I think they are) they're going to have to get over the toys and start shipping cars.
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    - WaxProlix 10mo ago
      Unfortunately, most ICE cars these days are buggy tablet-enhanced rolling privacy invasions, too. I think the trend is starting to abate but physical climate control buttons alone won't fix the less immediately obvious issues with tech bro car design
    - taneq 10mo ago
      It’s fun driving a spaceship, though. :D I’m just glad we’re past the phase where apparently EVs had to look like science experiments. That’s one thing Tesla got right, they built a car that was electric, rather than building an electric vehicle.
techsystems 10mo ago
Samsung originally scheduled production next year, but apparently it will be this year, ahead of schedule, and apparently winning the race.
- exhilaration 10mo ago
  They're behind, Toyota announced in 2017 that they would begin solid state battery production in 2022: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111717_2022-toyota-electric-car-to-use-solid-state-batteries-for-faster-fast-charging-report https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111717_2022-toyota-ele... I would take solid state battery announcements with a large grain of salt.
mattmaroon 10mo ago
I’ll take the under on that.
newyankee 10mo ago
That is true even if you take LFP for China, Global South & lower range urban vehicles and LMFP or High nickel Lithium ion batteries into consideration in a place where rational thinking persists. Solid state if it works at scale at right price might give the killer blow as the no of excuses will shrink even further

xbmcuser 10mo ago

For me current battery tech is already good enough for passenger ev they cant even use the full charging speed capacity or the charge discharge cycles. Solid state batteries might be useful for heavy duty trucking or aeroplanes/drones

wat10000 10mo ago
Cost, volume, and weight are still significant constraints. Existing batteries obviously can make for some good cars, but they could be better. It doesn’t have to be more range or faster charging, it could be the same range and charging speed but 25% lighter and cheaper.
- xbmcuser 10mo ago
  Cost is no longer a concern as today LFP batteries and electric motor price is cheaper than an ice engine in China. Though my main point is that there is a lack of infrastructure to charge at full speed current batteries so higher capacity faster charging solid state batteries are mostly pointless when you cant charge them fast or to full capacity.
  - wat10000 10mo ago
    It's still a major expense. Reducing costs is good. Higher capacity and faster charging doesn't have to actually mean more capacity and faster charging. It can mean smaller and lighter for the same capacity and charging speed. If you have a technology with 10x the energy density, you can build a car that goes 3000 miles on a charge, or you can build a car that goes 300 miles on a charge and has a battery only 10% the size/weight. (In practice a even a bit less than that, since the reduced size/weight will reduce how much energy you use per mile.)
- rootusrootus 10mo ago
  A Model 3 doesn't weigh significantly more than a comparable ICE car, so I think weight isn't a huge deal. And it costs less to put in a new battery than it does to buy a new engine, so it seems like we're in an okay spot. And since battery tech reliably gets better every year, the future looks bright.
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givemeethekeys 10mo ago

I will wait until the reviews and 3rd party lab tests come out before getting excited.

cosmic_cheese 10mo ago

Even as things currently stand, some folks just have a bone to pick with EVs. Even if future models have an 800mi range, can charge to 100% in 5 minutes, and have useful lifetimes as long or longer than ICE counterparts, some will figure out some reason to get angry about them.

senordevnyc 10mo ago
It's fine, those folks can just get angrier and angrier as the market makes their ICE cars more and more difficult and expensive to own.
- stonogo 10mo ago
  I'm still waiting for the EV that's a car instead of some kind of techbro reimagining of personal transportation with a 27" tv glued to the dash. So far the plug-in hybrid market is figuring that out first -- the Mazda CX90 is a real car. The VW ID3 gets close, but it still feels like someone tried to design a B-movie space ship. There's a great market out there willing to buy B-movie space ships, but if EVs are going to be the default (and I think they are) they're going to have to get over the toys and start shipping cars.
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  - WaxProlix 10mo ago
    Unfortunately, most ICE cars these days are buggy tablet-enhanced rolling privacy invasions, too. I think the trend is starting to abate but physical climate control buttons alone won't fix the less immediately obvious issues with tech bro car design
  - taneq 10mo ago
    It’s fun driving a spaceship, though. :D I’m just glad we’re past the phase where apparently EVs had to look like science experiments. That’s one thing Tesla got right, they built a car that was electric, rather than building an electric vehicle.

techsystems 10mo ago

Samsung originally scheduled production next year, but apparently it will be this year, ahead of schedule, and apparently winning the race.

exhilaration 10mo ago
They're behind, Toyota announced in 2017 that they would begin solid state battery production in 2022: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111717_2022-toyota-electric-car-to-use-solid-state-batteries-for-faster-fast-charging-report https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111717_2022-toyota-ele... I would take solid state battery announcements with a large grain of salt.

mattmaroon 10mo ago

I’ll take the under on that.

newyankee 10mo ago

That is true even if you take LFP for China, Global South & lower range urban vehicles and LMFP or High nickel Lithium ion batteries into consideration in a place where rational thinking persists. Solid state if it works at scale at right price might give the killer blow as the no of excuses will shrink even further