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> Because that seems like a bare minimum to collaborate at all. Now you're getting a clue why Google had like 3-4 competing communication tools at some point l

by znhll 9mo ago

> Because that seems like a bare minimum to collaborate at all. Now you're getting a clue why Google had like 3-4 competing communication tools at some point lol

MichaelZuo 9mo ago
I’m talking about something much more fundamental, the entire company would pretty much implode within 24 hours (or at most a week) if they couldnt verify who is who. So it clearly cant be the case.
- mulmen 9mo ago
  You're really giving credit in the wrong areas. Google is impressive for its ability to exist beyond the point of dysfunction. It's simply not the case that any Googler would need to verify the identity of any other any more than it is necessary for every server to verify the identity of every other. They only need to verify the identify of the tiny subset they are communicating with at any given time. This doesn't mean everyone has access to a coherent org chart, or that one even exists.
  - MichaelZuo 9mo ago
    And how do they verify those of the subset they are in communication with? Ask their managers? But then how do their managers verify?
    - mulmen 9mo ago
      > Ask their managers? But then how do their managers verify? It's a hierarchical org chart. If you're really not sure ask Sundar. It's likely any Googler can verify the identity of any other by looking up their username but it's unlikely that the same tool would do something like tell you how the YouTube recommendation algorithm works or who would know that. They will know the names of frequent collaborators and something about the scope of relevant work but it's not like everyone at Google needs intimate knowledge of every workstream. At that scale it's unlikely anyone has the full picture.
      - MichaelZuo 9mo ago
        Okay so we agree Google has a full org chart then somewhere.
        mulmen 9mo ago
        We agree an org chart of some kind probably exists. We disagree on the capabilities. For example I am not confident that it has a concept of a team and if it does that a team would map to a product or feature.
        MichaelZuo 9mo ago
        You seem confused, I never claimed it would have such attached concepts? just a name and superior/subordinate relations
strbean 9mo ago
Bring back Google Wave! They could have been Slack if they didn't transmogrify it into a social media platform (Google+) and then throw out the baby with the bathwater when it failed.

by znhll 9mo ago

> Because that seems like a bare minimum to collaborate at all. Now you're getting a clue why Google had like 3-4 competing communication tools at some point lol

MichaelZuo 9mo ago

I’m talking about something much more fundamental, the entire company would pretty much implode within 24 hours (or at most a week) if they couldnt verify who is who. So it clearly cant be the case.

mulmen 9mo ago
You're really giving credit in the wrong areas. Google is impressive for its ability to exist beyond the point of dysfunction. It's simply not the case that any Googler would need to verify the identity of any other any more than it is necessary for every server to verify the identity of every other. They only need to verify the identify of the tiny subset they are communicating with at any given time. This doesn't mean everyone has access to a coherent org chart, or that one even exists.
- MichaelZuo 9mo ago
  And how do they verify those of the subset they are in communication with? Ask their managers? But then how do their managers verify?
  - mulmen 9mo ago
    > Ask their managers? But then how do their managers verify? It's a hierarchical org chart. If you're really not sure ask Sundar. It's likely any Googler can verify the identity of any other by looking up their username but it's unlikely that the same tool would do something like tell you how the YouTube recommendation algorithm works or who would know that. They will know the names of frequent collaborators and something about the scope of relevant work but it's not like everyone at Google needs intimate knowledge of every workstream. At that scale it's unlikely anyone has the full picture.
    - MichaelZuo 9mo ago
      Okay so we agree Google has a full org chart then somewhere.
      - mulmen 9mo ago
        We agree an org chart of some kind probably exists. We disagree on the capabilities. For example I am not confident that it has a concept of a team and if it does that a team would map to a product or feature.
        MichaelZuo 9mo ago
        You seem confused, I never claimed it would have such attached concepts? just a name and superior/subordinate relations

strbean 9mo ago

Bring back Google Wave! They could have been Slack if they didn't transmogrify it into a social media platform (Google+) and then throw out the baby with the bathwater when it failed.