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This duality occurs identically when people discuss legal required child support. "If you didn't want a child, don't have sex" is very commonly initial argument

by belorn 10mo ago

This duality occurs identically when people discuss legal required child support. "If you didn't want a child, don't have sex" is very commonly initial argument, but then it get changed into "well being of the child" approach, as it leads to the same conclusion. It not a punishment, its a childs's right to support by their biological parents. Most nations still have social support and government responsibility as last resort, which equally can do the job of supporting children without willing parents, but then people return to the punishment/moral angle that if men don't want to pay for children then they should not have sex. Look to how quickly people reaches for the morality position and we see how little friction anti-abortion policies has to overcome.

cogman10 10mo ago
Both can be motivating factors even for the same person. But which dominates the motivation, I'd argue, can be seen by the end policies. What I expect to see for those that view it as primarily punishment is little outside of child support for kids. Penalizing the "dead beat dad" as it were. I expect those governments to not provide child support, tax breaks for parents, or any sort of welfare/support/minimum standard of living for parents. That is to say, the answer to "how hard would it be to be a single parent" in those government would be "very hard". For governments that are solely looking out for the welfare of the kid, I expect to see a large amount of support for kids, especially for poor families. I expect some help with childcare, housing, etc to make sure the kids are well cared for.
- belorn 10mo ago
  It definitive seems like a connection between a lack of social support and an emotion reaction to penalizing people for getting pregnant. On the extreme end we have a culture where the man should take responsibility for getting the woman pregnant and where abortion is seen as a way for both to escape responsibility. Support comes from the family rather than society, which also means members of the family is responsible towards the family. The closer people holds to those values, the easier society accept laws like anti-abortion. Religion do play a supporting role in this by holding onto the values, but is itself not always in the center.

by belorn 10mo ago

cogman10 10mo ago

Both can be motivating factors even for the same person. But which dominates the motivation, I'd argue, can be seen by the end policies. What I expect to see for those that view it as primarily punishment is little outside of child support for kids. Penalizing the "dead beat dad" as it were. I expect those governments to not provide child support, tax breaks for parents, or any sort of welfare/support/minimum standard of living for parents. That is to say, the answer to "how hard would it be to be a single parent" in those government would be "very hard". For governments that are solely looking out for the welfare of the kid, I expect to see a large amount of support for kids, especially for poor families. I expect some help with childcare, housing, etc to make sure the kids are well cared for.

belorn 10mo ago
It definitive seems like a connection between a lack of social support and an emotion reaction to penalizing people for getting pregnant. On the extreme end we have a culture where the man should take responsibility for getting the woman pregnant and where abortion is seen as a way for both to escape responsibility. Support comes from the family rather than society, which also means members of the family is responsible towards the family. The closer people holds to those values, the easier society accept laws like anti-abortion. Religion do play a supporting role in this by holding onto the values, but is itself not always in the center.