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This is happening in Barcelona now due to the rent controls - where they strip everything out to provide the absolute bare minimum since demand far exceeds supp

This is happening in Barcelona now due to the rent controls - where they strip everything out to provide the absolute bare minimum since demand far exceeds supply but the prices are capped.

monero-xmr 10mo ago
Well of course. As rent control continues the failure is more obvious every year, so they try to socialism harder and mandate more things. As an owner you either convert to condo (if you can) and sell it, find some loophole, or just hold on as long as you can until they remove the rent control
- themafia 10mo ago
  Using government monopoly to solve private monopoly has to be the goofiest idea we continually try. It's right up there with unions. You can't negotiate successfully against corruption. If the system has no competition than corruption almost always creeps in. Granted, it quickly solves some of the problem, but to act as if it is a sustainable solution is maddening.
  - hn_acc1 10mo ago
    I guess you're right that if the CEO is too corrupt, unions will be ineffective.
  - actionfromafar 10mo ago
    So... how do we solve private monopoly?
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    - monero-xmr 10mo ago
      First name an example of a private monopoly so we can debate one that truly exists and isolate the discussion to that one thing
      - themafia 10mo ago
        This is a nice effort at gatekeeping, but which would you prefer, historical examples such as Union Pacific, ADM, or AT&T, or more modern examples such as Apple and Visa? Is there any reason you want to isolate it to one thing? Does that benefit the discussion in any way? Were you trying to project that you don't believe anything such as a modern monopoly can be said to exist? Monopoly comes in many forms, and only the most limited version of the argument puts it at "100% market control," whereas, if you read the many good laws that were passed in the wake of consumer and market harms, you'll see there are four specific elements, any of which, are not only a criminal act but are widely considered "monopolistic behavior."
        monero-xmr 9mo ago
        Apple and visa are not monopolies. This is why we need to agree on a monopoly because there is such disagreement about what actually is one
    - themafia 10mo ago
      Lawsuits. Civil remedies include breakup of the company. I was never sure why the ownership class preferred one large investment over many smaller or even medium sized ones. Apparently diversification is only good for /my/ portfolio. The reality is, the current government security state prefers this arrangement, as it vastly simplifies their strategies for mass data collection and abuse. There used to be 30 cellular companies. There were so many they felt entitled to tell the government off when they overreached. Widely seen as a problem by law enforcement the message was received and enforcement of anti trust laws in certain sectors ceased.

This is happening in Barcelona now due to the rent controls - where they strip everything out to provide the absolute bare minimum since demand far exceeds supply but the prices are capped.

monero-xmr 10mo ago

Well of course. As rent control continues the failure is more obvious every year, so they try to socialism harder and mandate more things. As an owner you either convert to condo (if you can) and sell it, find some loophole, or just hold on as long as you can until they remove the rent control

themafia 10mo ago
Using government monopoly to solve private monopoly has to be the goofiest idea we continually try. It's right up there with unions. You can't negotiate successfully against corruption. If the system has no competition than corruption almost always creeps in. Granted, it quickly solves some of the problem, but to act as if it is a sustainable solution is maddening.
- hn_acc1 10mo ago
  I guess you're right that if the CEO is too corrupt, unions will be ineffective.
- actionfromafar 10mo ago
  So... how do we solve private monopoly?
  - deleted 10mo ago
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  - monero-xmr 10mo ago
    First name an example of a private monopoly so we can debate one that truly exists and isolate the discussion to that one thing
    - themafia 10mo ago
      This is a nice effort at gatekeeping, but which would you prefer, historical examples such as Union Pacific, ADM, or AT&T, or more modern examples such as Apple and Visa? Is there any reason you want to isolate it to one thing? Does that benefit the discussion in any way? Were you trying to project that you don't believe anything such as a modern monopoly can be said to exist? Monopoly comes in many forms, and only the most limited version of the argument puts it at "100% market control," whereas, if you read the many good laws that were passed in the wake of consumer and market harms, you'll see there are four specific elements, any of which, are not only a criminal act but are widely considered "monopolistic behavior."
      - monero-xmr 9mo ago
        Apple and visa are not monopolies. This is why we need to agree on a monopoly because there is such disagreement about what actually is one
  - themafia 10mo ago
    Lawsuits. Civil remedies include breakup of the company. I was never sure why the ownership class preferred one large investment over many smaller or even medium sized ones. Apparently diversification is only good for /my/ portfolio. The reality is, the current government security state prefers this arrangement, as it vastly simplifies their strategies for mass data collection and abuse. There used to be 30 cellular companies. There were so many they felt entitled to tell the government off when they overreached. Widely seen as a problem by law enforcement the message was received and enforcement of anti trust laws in certain sectors ceased.