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Pretty ironic that he complains about Kahn citing someone who told him AI agents are capable of replacing 80% of call center employees, right after quoting Gary

Pretty ironic that he complains about Kahn citing someone who told him AI agents are capable of replacing 80% of call center employees, right after quoting Gary Marcus of all people, claiming LLMs will never live up to the hype. If you want to focus on what AI agents are actually capable of today, the last person I'd pay any attention to is Marcus, who has been wrong about nearly everything related to AI for years, and does nothing but double down.

Jonovono 10mo ago
What has he been wrong about? He was way ahead of predicting the scaling limitations, llm not making it to agi.
- verdverm 10mo ago
  What scaling limitations, Gemini 3 shows us that is not over yet, and little brother flash is a hyper sparse, 1T parameter model (aiui) that is both fast and good I agree with GP, Marcus has not been an accurate or significant voice, could care lass what he has to say about ai. He's not a practitioner anymore in my mind
renewiltord 10mo ago
Gary Marcus is just a free Outrage As A Service. People politically align with him and then feel the need to go along with the rest of the charade.
rvz 10mo ago
Well clearly LLMs are not AGI, and all such calls of them being 'AGI' have been a pump and dump scam. So he got that dead right for years.
- senordevnyc 10mo ago
  Who has said that "LLMs are AGI"?
  - Terr_ 10mo ago
    Probably any sales and marketing departments of companies with an "AI" product (based on an LLM) which is presented as having AGI-like capabilities. I'm doubt parent poster was referring to anyone phrasing it in those literal terms. Kind of like how "some people claim flavored water can cure cancer" doesn't mean that's the literal pitch being given for the snake-oil.
    - senordevnyc 10mo ago
      That's complete bullshit, and you know it. The big labs are saying that AGI will be here soon, not that it's here now. Please prove me wrong.
      - asadotzler 10mo ago
        "We are now confident we know how to build AGI as we have traditionally understood it. We believe that, in 2025, we may see the first AI agents 'join the workforce' and materially change the output of companies." We know how to build it and it will be entering the workforce in 2025. Well, we're in 2026 now and we don't have it in the workforce or anywhere else because they haven't built it because they don't really know how to build it because they're hucksters selling vaporware built on dead end technologies they cannot admit to.
        senordevnyc 10mo ago
        I know tons of engineers who are coding all day every day with agents. And that doesn't have anything to do with whether AGI is here...
  - suddenlybananas 10mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46494830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46494830 This was on HN yesterday.
    - senordevnyc 10mo ago

Jonovono 10mo ago

What has he been wrong about? He was way ahead of predicting the scaling limitations, llm not making it to agi.

verdverm 10mo ago
What scaling limitations, Gemini 3 shows us that is not over yet, and little brother flash is a hyper sparse, 1T parameter model (aiui) that is both fast and good I agree with GP, Marcus has not been an accurate or significant voice, could care lass what he has to say about ai. He's not a practitioner anymore in my mind

renewiltord 10mo ago

Gary Marcus is just a free Outrage As A Service. People politically align with him and then feel the need to go along with the rest of the charade.

rvz 10mo ago

Well clearly LLMs are not AGI, and all such calls of them being 'AGI' have been a pump and dump scam. So he got that dead right for years.

senordevnyc 10mo ago
Who has said that "LLMs are AGI"?
- Terr_ 10mo ago
  Probably any sales and marketing departments of companies with an "AI" product (based on an LLM) which is presented as having AGI-like capabilities. I'm doubt parent poster was referring to anyone phrasing it in those literal terms. Kind of like how "some people claim flavored water can cure cancer" doesn't mean that's the literal pitch being given for the snake-oil.
  - senordevnyc 10mo ago
    That's complete bullshit, and you know it. The big labs are saying that AGI will be here soon, not that it's here now. Please prove me wrong.
    - asadotzler 10mo ago
      "We are now confident we know how to build AGI as we have traditionally understood it. We believe that, in 2025, we may see the first AI agents 'join the workforce' and materially change the output of companies." We know how to build it and it will be entering the workforce in 2025. Well, we're in 2026 now and we don't have it in the workforce or anywhere else because they haven't built it because they don't really know how to build it because they're hucksters selling vaporware built on dead end technologies they cannot admit to.
      - senordevnyc 10mo ago
        I know tons of engineers who are coding all day every day with agents. And that doesn't have anything to do with whether AGI is here...
- suddenlybananas 10mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46494830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46494830 This was on HN yesterday.
  - senordevnyc 10mo ago