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They ban users responsible for misusing the tool, and refer them to law enforcement when appropriate. The whole point of this article is to say that's not good

by Ajedi32 10mo ago

They ban users responsible for misusing the tool, and refer them to law enforcement when appropriate. The whole point of this article is to say that's not good enough ("X blames users for [their misuse of the tool]") implying that merely making the tool available for people to use constitutes support of pedophilia. (Textbook case of appealing to the Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse.) The prevailing sentiment in this thread seems to be agreement with that take.

array_key_first 10mo ago
Making the tool easy to use and allowing it to just immediately post on Twitter is much different than simply providing a model online that people can download and run themselves. If you are providing a tool for people, YES you are responsible to some degree. Think of it this way. I sell racecars. I'm not responsible if someone buys my racecar and then drinks and drives and dies. Now, I run an entertainment venue where you can ride along in racecars. One of my employees is drunk, and someon dies. Now I am responsible.
- llmslave2 10mo ago
  > One of my employees is drunk, and someon dies. Now I am responsible. In what way?
  - array_key_first 10mo ago
    In, like, an "ask a bunch of people and see what they think" way. Consensus. I'm not talking legality because I'm not a lawyer and I also don't care. But I think, most people would say "uh, yeah, the business needs to do something or implement some policy". Another example: selling guns versus running a shooting range. If you're running a shooting range then yeah, I think there's an expectation you make it safe. You put up walls, you have security, etc. You try your best to migrate the bad shit.
UncleMeat 10mo ago
Misuse in this case doesn't include harassing adult women with AI generated porn of them. "Oh we banned the people doing this with children" doesn't cut it, in my mind.
- Ajedi32 10mo ago
  As of May posting AI generated porn of unconsenting adults is a federal crime[1], so I'd be very surprised if they didn't ban users for that as well. The article conflates a bunch of different issues which makes it difficult to understand exactly what is and is not being talked about in each individual paragraph. [1]: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/146 https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/146
  - UncleMeat 10mo ago
    Well, you can open up twitter and see tons of and tons and tons of people who are definitely not banned who have done this.

by Ajedi32 10mo ago

array_key_first 10mo ago

Making the tool easy to use and allowing it to just immediately post on Twitter is much different than simply providing a model online that people can download and run themselves. If you are providing a tool for people, YES you are responsible to some degree. Think of it this way. I sell racecars. I'm not responsible if someone buys my racecar and then drinks and drives and dies. Now, I run an entertainment venue where you can ride along in racecars. One of my employees is drunk, and someon dies. Now I am responsible.

llmslave2 10mo ago
> One of my employees is drunk, and someon dies. Now I am responsible. In what way?
- array_key_first 10mo ago
  In, like, an "ask a bunch of people and see what they think" way. Consensus. I'm not talking legality because I'm not a lawyer and I also don't care. But I think, most people would say "uh, yeah, the business needs to do something or implement some policy". Another example: selling guns versus running a shooting range. If you're running a shooting range then yeah, I think there's an expectation you make it safe. You put up walls, you have security, etc. You try your best to migrate the bad shit.

UncleMeat 10mo ago

Misuse in this case doesn't include harassing adult women with AI generated porn of them. "Oh we banned the people doing this with children" doesn't cut it, in my mind.

Ajedi32 10mo ago
As of May posting AI generated porn of unconsenting adults is a federal crime[1], so I'd be very surprised if they didn't ban users for that as well. The article conflates a bunch of different issues which makes it difficult to understand exactly what is and is not being talked about in each individual paragraph. [1]: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/146 https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/146
- UncleMeat 10mo ago
  Well, you can open up twitter and see tons of and tons and tons of people who are definitely not banned who have done this.