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That would admit legal liability for the capabilities of their model - no?

by DANmode 10mo ago

shimman 10mo ago
Directed negligence isn't much better, especially morally.
bluGill 10mo ago
You always have liability. If you put something there you tell the court that you see the problem and are trying to prevent it. It often becomes easier to get out of liability if you can show the courts you did your best to prevent this. Courts don't like it when someone is blatantly unaware of things - ignorance is not a defense if "a reasonable person" would be aware of it. If this was the first AI in 2022 you could say "we never thought about that" and maybe get by, but by 2025 you need to tell the court "we are aware of the issue, and here is why we think we had reasonable protections that the user got around". See a lawyer for legal details of course.
praptak 10mo ago
They already censor Grok when it suits them.
- UncleMeat 10mo ago
  Yep. "Oh grok is being too woke" gets musk to comment that they'll fix it right away. But turn every woman on the platform into a sex object to be the target of humiliation? That's just good fun apparently.
  - praptak 10mo ago
    And when it's CSAM suddenly they "only provide the tool", no responsibility for the output.
    - UncleMeat 10mo ago
      I even think that the discussion focusing on csam risks missing critical stuff. If musk manages to make this story exclusively about child porn and gets to declare victory after taking basic steps to address that without addressing the broader problem of the revenge porn button then we are still in a nightmare world. Women should be able to exist in public without having to constantly have porn made of their likeness and distributed right next to their activity.
      - AlecSchueler 10mo ago
        Exactly this, it's an issue of patriarchy age the domination of women and children. CSAM is far too narrow.
- DANmode 10mo ago
  What does that have to do with what I said?
  - praptak 10mo ago
    If censoring Grok output means legal liability (your question), then the legal liability is there anyway already.
    - DANmode 10mo ago
      But that’s not my question/proposition of their position. I replied to: > They don’t seem to have taken even the most basic step of telling Grok not to do it via system prompt. “It” being “generating CSAM”. I was not attempting to comment on some random censorship debate, but instead: that CSAM is a pretty specific thing. With pretty specific legal liabilities, dependent on region!

That would admit legal liability for the capabilities of their model - no?

by DANmode 10mo ago

That would admit legal liability for the capabilities of their model - no?

shimman 10mo ago

Directed negligence isn't much better, especially morally.

bluGill 10mo ago

You always have liability. If you put something there you tell the court that you see the problem and are trying to prevent it. It often becomes easier to get out of liability if you can show the courts you did your best to prevent this. Courts don't like it when someone is blatantly unaware of things - ignorance is not a defense if "a reasonable person" would be aware of it. If this was the first AI in 2022 you could say "we never thought about that" and maybe get by, but by 2025 you need to tell the court "we are aware of the issue, and here is why we think we had reasonable protections that the user got around". See a lawyer for legal details of course.

praptak 10mo ago

They already censor Grok when it suits them.

UncleMeat 10mo ago
Yep. "Oh grok is being too woke" gets musk to comment that they'll fix it right away. But turn every woman on the platform into a sex object to be the target of humiliation? That's just good fun apparently.
- praptak 10mo ago
  And when it's CSAM suddenly they "only provide the tool", no responsibility for the output.
  - UncleMeat 10mo ago
    I even think that the discussion focusing on csam risks missing critical stuff. If musk manages to make this story exclusively about child porn and gets to declare victory after taking basic steps to address that without addressing the broader problem of the revenge porn button then we are still in a nightmare world. Women should be able to exist in public without having to constantly have porn made of their likeness and distributed right next to their activity.
    - AlecSchueler 10mo ago
      Exactly this, it's an issue of patriarchy age the domination of women and children. CSAM is far too narrow.
DANmode 10mo ago
What does that have to do with what I said?
- praptak 10mo ago
  If censoring Grok output means legal liability (your question), then the legal liability is there anyway already.
  - DANmode 10mo ago
    But that’s not my question/proposition of their position. I replied to: > They don’t seem to have taken even the most basic step of telling Grok not to do it via system prompt. “It” being “generating CSAM”. I was not attempting to comment on some random censorship debate, but instead: that CSAM is a pretty specific thing. With pretty specific legal liabilities, dependent on region!