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> That’s like blaming a pen for writing something bad,” DogeDesigner opined. So from technical wonder to just like a pen in one easy step. Wouldn’t it be great

by croes 10mo ago

> That’s like blaming a pen for writing something bad,” DogeDesigner opined. So from technical wonder to just like a pen in one easy step. Wouldn’t it be great if you could tell the AI what not to output?

dmitrygr 10mo ago
> Wouldn’t it be great if you could tell the AI what not to output? This has been tried extensively and has not yet fully worked. Google "ai jailbreaks".
- croes 10mo ago
  But you could at least say you tried. And it doesn’t have to fully work, just make it harder.
  - dmitrygr 10mo ago
    If your effort is provably futile, wouldn't saying you tried be a demonstration of a profound misallocation of effort (if you DID try), or a blatant lie (if you did not)?
    - croes 10mo ago
      It isn’t futile, it will reduce the amount of those images. Less is less.
- pkilgore 10mo ago
  "You might fail so don't try" is certainly a take, I guess.
  - dmitrygr 10mo ago
    You WILL fail so do not try is indeed a sane take.
    - UncleMeat 10mo ago
      Friction matters. The locks on my doors will fail if somebody tries hard enough. They are still valuable.
      - dmitrygr 10mo ago
        Goalpost movement alert. The claim was that "AI can be told not to output something". It cannot. It can be told to not output something sometimes, and that might stick, sometimes. This is true. Original statement is not.
        UncleMeat 10mo ago
        If you insist on maximum pedantry, an AI can be told not to output something as this claim says nothing about how the AI responds to this command.
        dmitrygr 10mo ago
        You are correct and you win. I concede. You outpedanted me. Upvoted
      - ux266478 10mo ago
        > They are still valuable. Only because of the broader context of the legal environment. If there was no prosecution for breaking and entering, they would be effectively worthless. For the analogy to hold, we need laws to throw coercive measures against those trying to bypass guard rails. Theoretically, this already exists in the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act in the US, but that interpretation doesn't exist quite yet.
    - lynndotpy 10mo ago
      After learning that guaranteed delivery was impossible, the once-promising "Transmission Control Protocol" is now only an obscure relic of a bygone era from the 70s, and a future of inter-connected computer systems was abandoned as merely a delusional, impossible fantasy.
    - 10mo ago
- antonvs 10mo ago
  Other image generation companies do this successfully. The fact that it can fail if explicitly attacked is not a reason not to try. And that vibe I mentioned in another comment is getting stronger and stronger.

by croes 10mo ago

dmitrygr 10mo ago

> Wouldn’t it be great if you could tell the AI what not to output? This has been tried extensively and has not yet fully worked. Google "ai jailbreaks".

croes 10mo ago
But you could at least say you tried. And it doesn’t have to fully work, just make it harder.
- dmitrygr 10mo ago
  If your effort is provably futile, wouldn't saying you tried be a demonstration of a profound misallocation of effort (if you DID try), or a blatant lie (if you did not)?
  - croes 10mo ago
    It isn’t futile, it will reduce the amount of those images. Less is less.
pkilgore 10mo ago
"You might fail so don't try" is certainly a take, I guess.
- dmitrygr 10mo ago
  You WILL fail so do not try is indeed a sane take.
  - UncleMeat 10mo ago
    Friction matters. The locks on my doors will fail if somebody tries hard enough. They are still valuable.
    - dmitrygr 10mo ago
      Goalpost movement alert. The claim was that "AI can be told not to output something". It cannot. It can be told to not output something sometimes, and that might stick, sometimes. This is true. Original statement is not.
      - UncleMeat 10mo ago
        If you insist on maximum pedantry, an AI can be told not to output something as this claim says nothing about how the AI responds to this command.
        dmitrygr 10mo ago
        You are correct and you win. I concede. You outpedanted me. Upvoted
    - ux266478 10mo ago
      > They are still valuable. Only because of the broader context of the legal environment. If there was no prosecution for breaking and entering, they would be effectively worthless. For the analogy to hold, we need laws to throw coercive measures against those trying to bypass guard rails. Theoretically, this already exists in the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act in the US, but that interpretation doesn't exist quite yet.
  - lynndotpy 10mo ago
    After learning that guaranteed delivery was impossible, the once-promising "Transmission Control Protocol" is now only an obscure relic of a bygone era from the 70s, and a future of inter-connected computer systems was abandoned as merely a delusional, impossible fantasy.
  - 10mo ago
antonvs 10mo ago
Other image generation companies do this successfully. The fact that it can fail if explicitly attacked is not a reason not to try. And that vibe I mentioned in another comment is getting stronger and stronger.