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But government does regulate each of those things.

by ceejayoz 10mo ago

gruez 10mo ago
What type of kitchen knife regulations are there? I don't even think I saw a "knives are sharp" disclaimer.
- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  https://www.akti.org/age-based-knife-laws/ https://www.akti.org/age-based-knife-laws/ NYC has a four inch limit on knives carried in public, even kitchen knives. https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/faq/knives-faq.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/faq/knives-faq.page And you can't display that knife. "New York City law prohibits carrying a knife that can be seen in public, including wearing a knife outside of your clothing." (You can take one to work. "This rule does not apply to those who carry knives for work that customarily requires the use of such knife, members of the military, or on-duty ambulance drivers and EMTs while engaged in the performance of their duties.") "Knives are sharp" disclaimers are easy to find. https://www.henckels.com/us/use-and-care.html https://www.henckels.com/us/use-and-care.html (The CPSC is likely to weigh in if you make your knife unusually unsafe, too.)
  - gruez 10mo ago
    >https://www.akti.org/age-based-knife-laws/ https://www.akti.org/age-based-knife-laws/ From chatgpt: >Minimum age. You must be at least 13 years old or the minimum age required in your country to consent to use the Services. If you are under 18 you must have your parent or legal guardian’s permission to use the Services. >NYC has a four inch limit on knives carried in public, even kitchen knives. https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/faq/knives-faq.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/faq/knives-faq.page >And you can't display that knife. "New York City law prohibits carrying a knife that can be seen in public, including wearing a knife outside of your clothing." Not relevant to this case (ie. self harm), because someone intent on harming themselves obviously aren't going to follow such regulations. You can substitute "knife" for "bleach" in this case. >"Knives are sharp" disclaimers are easy to find. https://www.henckels.com/us/use-and-care.html https://www.henckels.com/us/use-and-care.html That proves my point? That information is on a separate page on their website, and the point about it being sharp is buried half way in the page. For someone who just bought a knife, there's 0 chance they'll find that unless they're specifically seeking it out.
    - ceejayoz 10mo ago
      Ah, you weren't actually hoping for an answer.
      - JasonADrury 10mo ago
        It's an answer, but it's fair to point out that these regulations seem fairly useless. We could certainly apply similar rules to AI, but would that actually change anything?
lingrush4 10mo ago
Governments don't ban any of those things. I wish I could argue the "regulate" point but you failed to provide even a single example AI regulation you want to see enforced. My guess is the regulation you want to see enacted for AI is nowhere close to being analogous with the regulation currently in place for knives.
- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  > Governments don't ban any of those things. And the poster upthread used "regulate" for that reason, I presume. > I wish I could argue the "regulate" point but you failed to provide even a single example AI regulation you want to see enforced. It's OK to want something to be regulated without a proposal. I want dangerous chemicals regulated, but I'm happy to let chemical experts weigh in on how rather than guessing myself. I want fecal bacterial standards for water, but I couldn't possibly tell you the right level to pick. If you really need a specific proposal example, I'd like to see a moratorium on AI-powered therapy for now; I think it's a form of human medical experimentation that'd be subject to licensing, IRB approval, and serious compliance requirements in any other form.

But government does regulate each of those things.

gruez 10mo ago

What type of kitchen knife regulations are there? I don't even think I saw a "knives are sharp" disclaimer.

ceejayoz 10mo ago
https://www.akti.org/age-based-knife-laws/ https://www.akti.org/age-based-knife-laws/ NYC has a four inch limit on knives carried in public, even kitchen knives. https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/faq/knives-faq.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/faq/knives-faq.page And you can't display that knife. "New York City law prohibits carrying a knife that can be seen in public, including wearing a knife outside of your clothing." (You can take one to work. "This rule does not apply to those who carry knives for work that customarily requires the use of such knife, members of the military, or on-duty ambulance drivers and EMTs while engaged in the performance of their duties.") "Knives are sharp" disclaimers are easy to find. https://www.henckels.com/us/use-and-care.html https://www.henckels.com/us/use-and-care.html (The CPSC is likely to weigh in if you make your knife unusually unsafe, too.)
- gruez 10mo ago
  >https://www.akti.org/age-based-knife-laws/ https://www.akti.org/age-based-knife-laws/ From chatgpt: >Minimum age. You must be at least 13 years old or the minimum age required in your country to consent to use the Services. If you are under 18 you must have your parent or legal guardian’s permission to use the Services. >NYC has a four inch limit on knives carried in public, even kitchen knives. https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/faq/knives-faq.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/faq/knives-faq.page >And you can't display that knife. "New York City law prohibits carrying a knife that can be seen in public, including wearing a knife outside of your clothing." Not relevant to this case (ie. self harm), because someone intent on harming themselves obviously aren't going to follow such regulations. You can substitute "knife" for "bleach" in this case. >"Knives are sharp" disclaimers are easy to find. https://www.henckels.com/us/use-and-care.html https://www.henckels.com/us/use-and-care.html That proves my point? That information is on a separate page on their website, and the point about it being sharp is buried half way in the page. For someone who just bought a knife, there's 0 chance they'll find that unless they're specifically seeking it out.
  - ceejayoz 10mo ago
    Ah, you weren't actually hoping for an answer.
    - JasonADrury 10mo ago
      It's an answer, but it's fair to point out that these regulations seem fairly useless. We could certainly apply similar rules to AI, but would that actually change anything?

lingrush4 10mo ago

Governments don't ban any of those things. I wish I could argue the "regulate" point but you failed to provide even a single example AI regulation you want to see enforced. My guess is the regulation you want to see enacted for AI is nowhere close to being analogous with the regulation currently in place for knives.

ceejayoz 10mo ago
> Governments don't ban any of those things. And the poster upthread used "regulate" for that reason, I presume. > I wish I could argue the "regulate" point but you failed to provide even a single example AI regulation you want to see enforced. It's OK to want something to be regulated without a proposal. I want dangerous chemicals regulated, but I'm happy to let chemical experts weigh in on how rather than guessing myself. I want fecal bacterial standards for water, but I couldn't possibly tell you the right level to pick. If you really need a specific proposal example, I'd like to see a moratorium on AI-powered therapy for now; I think it's a form of human medical experimentation that'd be subject to licensing, IRB approval, and serious compliance requirements in any other form.