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Milgram invited me to his office and told me not to talk about my research results in America as American teachers are “too weak” to be able to work in the ways
by dkarl 14y ago
Milgram invited me to his office and told me not to talk about my research results in America as American teachers are “too weak” to be able to work in the ways shown to be effective.
If you believe there are harmful truths that should not be published, you don't belong in research. You belong in a PR department. I know exactly what this guy Milgram is getting at: in my experience as a student, progressive methods were occasionally wielded effectively by a few of my best teachers, but most teachers used them to take a break from engaging with the material and puff up the grades of the kids who were struggling. That's no excuse for wanting to hide research that shows innovative methods did work under certain circumstances, especially since research documents what those circumstances were. Anyway, like I said, if you believe there are harmful truths that should not be published, you don't belong in academia. That would disqualify virtually everybody outside the hard sciences, of course, and probably many people inside the hard sciences as well. ("So what if dihydroxomayonnaise isn't an effective twinzoblane above bike pants temperature? If we get distracted by that the field will be set back five years! Dihydroxo-condiment studies needs this grant money!")
It's hard to tell when bullying in academia is just a dramatic word for politics. People fight to entrench certain ideologies and stigmatize others, professors fight over control of departments, careers are threatened or ruined. I knew a girl in college who had her Master's thesis written and practically approved. Then her advisor suddenly left the department, and her advisor's vanquisher told her the paper was unacceptable in toto and had to be rewritten from scratch. My friend had been pondering an academic career, but this made up her mind: she got her MA by examination and decided against graduate school (she got the MA at the same time as her BA.)
You can't overlook that one guy in this story had the campus police show up at his home because he said "nuke 'em" with respect to schools of education. This raises two questions. First, by this standard, how many people here have been careful enough with language to avoid police investigation? Second, can you imagine the pressure that must have been put on the police to force them to take time away from their real work because one faculty member wanted to stigmatize another as potentially violent? The other justification for co-opting the police into this dispute was "personal attacks on my work," which doesn't pass the smell test; if you don't distinguish between personal criticisms and criticisms on your work, then you will feel under personal attack all the time. That's a choice. You can separate personal criticism from professional criticism and label the former inappropriate, but if you don't make an effort to distinguish the two, don't come begging for sympathy.
So here we have two groups of academics: each casting aspersions on the others' research; each trying to sabotage the others' careers; one group calling the other dishonest and the other group responding with accusations of bullying and illegal conduct. Both sides have accused the other of subverting academic integrity, by data fabrication on one side and by trying to identify research subjects on the other. I think both sides are doing a splendid job of bullying, no doubt glowing in the self-righteous pleasure of fighting against evil. I think I know which side I would agree with about the research (though it might not be a coincidence that I tend to agree with the one side whose case has been presented to me) but I wouldn't say one side was better than the other just by virtue of being right about the academic point they're fighting over.
EDIT: It was bugging me to have only one side of the story, so I did a quick google search. It isn't much, but perhaps it's better than nothing: http://mathforum.org/kb/servlet/JiveServlet/download/206-1167514-3866987-217284/att1.html http://mathforum.org/kb/servlet/JiveServlet/download/206-116...
I think the safest conclusion here is that we have two people engaged in your usual petty no-holds-barred academic playground fight. I'm prepared to believe that they're both harmless and both completely civilized in any other context. Getting the authorities involved still strikes me as creepy, but they were just campus cops, so I'm prepared to see even that as childish harassment rather than a serious threat.
- droithomme 14y agohttp://mathforum.org/kb/servlet/JiveServlet/download/206-1167514-3866987-217284/att1.html http://mathforum.org/kb/servlet/JiveServlet/download/206-116... This version of events you found is extremely interesting and paints a very different picture of the situation. General background is Boaler published findings from her trial studies that showed miraculous improvements at a low income school that adopted the curriculum she advocates. Bishop was skeptical as it was different from results he had seen, but when asked for more details, Boaler claimed she had to promise the schools anonymity to do the studies and thus the data could not be verified. This claim of anonymity of the school being necessary doesn't make a lot of sense. Anonymity for the students of course, but there is no reason for the schools not to be identified if the study is legit. Bishop's questioning the legitimacy of Boaler's results because of her refusal to publish anything that would enable verification of her remarkable results resulted in her filing harassment complaints against Bishop, a professor at a totally different university. Later Boaler filed complaints that Bishop was "a terrorist", resulting in him being interrogated by police. He then went and found the identity of the school himself and it turned out that the school went from API 3-6 results to the worst possible result, API 1-1 subsequent to the adoption of Boaler's advocated curriculum, something completely the opposite of her claimed findings. If this is true that this is the same school, then she is clearly engaged in fraud, academic misconduct, stalking, and making false police reports, and is not the victim in this at all, but is actually engaging in conduct bordering on the criminal. If on the other hand this is not the school, the school should be identified so that the claims of significant improvement can be verified. The claim that the school needs anonymity can not be taken seriously.
- jlgreco 14y agoDoes anybody else find this part odd? "This is an allegation that could have destroyed my career had it been substantiated." Surely the point here is that the allegations are troubling because they could not be substantiated, not despite that. Had they been substantiated, the authors career would indeed have be be destroyed, but the author would deserve no sympathy and Milgram no criticism. This is a factual statement that does nothing to reinforce sympathies with the author, unless perhaps you don't read it critically. It seems to me to be an emotional appeal.