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You dont need to weight lift and eat some kind of huge amount of protein to be healthy. Do not be ridiculous. The bulky aesthetic is just that, men liking when

by watwut 10mo ago

You dont need to weight lift and eat some kind of huge amount of protein to be healthy. Do not be ridiculous. The bulky aesthetic is just that, men liking when men are bulky. And if your goal is to be thin, you should pick different sport then weight lifting.

glanzwulf 10mo ago
just because you lift weights and eat protein doesn't mean you'll be bulky, do not be ridiculous.
- swat535 10mo ago
  Also it's difficult to achieve body builders top shapes, most of them are naturally gifted and are on some kind of enhancement drugs. That being said, you will look pretty good for your size if you moderately lift heavier weights and eat your protein + calories.
ceejayoz 10mo ago
There's a valid point buried in there, though; that being skinny won't make you fit / healthy by itself. You don't have to lift weights, but you do have to be a little active in some way.
- davey48016 10mo ago
  There's more and more research that says you do need to do some sort of resistance/strength training to minimize morbidity and mortality. It doesn't have to be weight lifting, but if you're only doing cardio you're missing something.
  - ceejayoz 10mo ago
    I don't minmax life for the same reason I don't minmax games. We had healthy people before the recent weight lifting craze; my strength training is rock climbing.
    - davey48016 10mo ago
      Rock climbing is probably going to be just as good at weight lifting. My understanding of the mental model here is: Up until around age 60, your body adjusts your muscle mass based on usage. Somewhere around 60, you start losing muscle mass. If you have just enough muscle for day to day activities in a sedentary life at that point, then over time daily tasks like carrying groceries or standing up out of a chair are going to become prohibitively difficult. You need to do something that encourages your body to grow more muscle than you need for day to day life so that you can afford to lose some of it.
    - triceratops 10mo ago
      > We had healthy people before the recent weight lifting craze Most people did manual labor. Even if they didn't, everyone walked more, or rode horses, chopped wood, drew water from wells, and did a hundred other things that required using their muscles in a way that's just not necessary today. > my strength training is rock climbing That's weight lifting too. Bodyweight is still weight.
      - ceejayoz 10mo ago
        > Most people did manual labor. The weight training craze is far, far more recent than our shift to a sedentary lifestyle.
        triceratops 10mo ago
        To have a higher quality of life in old age, you need to build strength in your youth. The shift to sedentary lifestyles has happened in the last 50 to 70 years, and that also coincided with an increase in life expectancy. The comment you responded to about not "min maxing" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46499625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46499625 only advocated resistance and strength training, not "weight training" specifically. It's hard to dispute that having a stronger body is better for living a healthy life.
      - watwut 10mo ago
        > Even if they didn't, everyone walked more, or rode horses, chopped wood, drew water from wells, and did a hundred other things that required using their muscles in a way that's just not necessary today. None of that will bulk you like weight lifting nor is similar to weight lifting. Those guys were smaller. By our standards, they would do a lot of low resistance repetition, basically. > That's weight lifting too. Bodyweight is still weight. I mean, you are stretching the definition of weight lifting to unrecognizable. Climbing is not weight lifting anymore then walking is running.
  - watwut 10mo ago
    You are missing even more when you do just weight lifting. The weight lifting part is the less important part. Being bulky is easthetic preference, lifting is pleasant hobby for quite a lot of people (actually including me), but it is nothing necessary for health.
triceratops 10mo ago
You've obviously never lifted weights in your life. Or you're naturally gifted and put on muscle as soon as you touch a barbell. Most people are not like this. They can lift weights and benefit from a stronger body without looking any different.
- swat535 10mo ago
  Lifting weights will adjust your body shape for the better, I'm not sure how you can lift heavy weights without looking different?
  - triceratops 10mo ago
    You have to go quite heavy and do it very frequently to actually look bulky, or even visibly muscular, when fully dressed. The effects of moderate weight lifting - defined loosely by me as squatting at most your body weight on a barbell - are barely visible. But you will feel much better on a day-to-day basis and all your health numbers will improve massively.
reedf1 10mo ago
you basically do, especially older people and women. it helps significantly with bone density, balance, and other markers for long-term health. the idea that weight lifting is just for men (or that bulking up is something you can do by accident) is an idea that should (and is) dying quickly.

by watwut 10mo ago

glanzwulf 10mo ago

just because you lift weights and eat protein doesn't mean you'll be bulky, do not be ridiculous.

swat535 10mo ago
Also it's difficult to achieve body builders top shapes, most of them are naturally gifted and are on some kind of enhancement drugs. That being said, you will look pretty good for your size if you moderately lift heavier weights and eat your protein + calories.

ceejayoz 10mo ago

There's a valid point buried in there, though; that being skinny won't make you fit / healthy by itself. You don't have to lift weights, but you do have to be a little active in some way.

davey48016 10mo ago
There's more and more research that says you do need to do some sort of resistance/strength training to minimize morbidity and mortality. It doesn't have to be weight lifting, but if you're only doing cardio you're missing something.
- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  I don't minmax life for the same reason I don't minmax games. We had healthy people before the recent weight lifting craze; my strength training is rock climbing.
  - davey48016 10mo ago
    Rock climbing is probably going to be just as good at weight lifting. My understanding of the mental model here is: Up until around age 60, your body adjusts your muscle mass based on usage. Somewhere around 60, you start losing muscle mass. If you have just enough muscle for day to day activities in a sedentary life at that point, then over time daily tasks like carrying groceries or standing up out of a chair are going to become prohibitively difficult. You need to do something that encourages your body to grow more muscle than you need for day to day life so that you can afford to lose some of it.
  - triceratops 10mo ago
    > We had healthy people before the recent weight lifting craze Most people did manual labor. Even if they didn't, everyone walked more, or rode horses, chopped wood, drew water from wells, and did a hundred other things that required using their muscles in a way that's just not necessary today. > my strength training is rock climbing That's weight lifting too. Bodyweight is still weight.
    - ceejayoz 10mo ago
      > Most people did manual labor. The weight training craze is far, far more recent than our shift to a sedentary lifestyle.
      - triceratops 10mo ago
        To have a higher quality of life in old age, you need to build strength in your youth. The shift to sedentary lifestyles has happened in the last 50 to 70 years, and that also coincided with an increase in life expectancy. The comment you responded to about not "min maxing" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46499625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46499625 only advocated resistance and strength training, not "weight training" specifically. It's hard to dispute that having a stronger body is better for living a healthy life.
    - watwut 10mo ago
      > Even if they didn't, everyone walked more, or rode horses, chopped wood, drew water from wells, and did a hundred other things that required using their muscles in a way that's just not necessary today. None of that will bulk you like weight lifting nor is similar to weight lifting. Those guys were smaller. By our standards, they would do a lot of low resistance repetition, basically. > That's weight lifting too. Bodyweight is still weight. I mean, you are stretching the definition of weight lifting to unrecognizable. Climbing is not weight lifting anymore then walking is running.
- watwut 10mo ago
  You are missing even more when you do just weight lifting. The weight lifting part is the less important part. Being bulky is easthetic preference, lifting is pleasant hobby for quite a lot of people (actually including me), but it is nothing necessary for health.

triceratops 10mo ago

You've obviously never lifted weights in your life. Or you're naturally gifted and put on muscle as soon as you touch a barbell. Most people are not like this. They can lift weights and benefit from a stronger body without looking any different.

swat535 10mo ago
Lifting weights will adjust your body shape for the better, I'm not sure how you can lift heavy weights without looking different?
- triceratops 10mo ago
  You have to go quite heavy and do it very frequently to actually look bulky, or even visibly muscular, when fully dressed. The effects of moderate weight lifting - defined loosely by me as squatting at most your body weight on a barbell - are barely visible. But you will feel much better on a day-to-day basis and all your health numbers will improve massively.

reedf1 10mo ago

you basically do, especially older people and women. it helps significantly with bone density, balance, and other markers for long-term health. the idea that weight lifting is just for men (or that bulking up is something you can do by accident) is an idea that should (and is) dying quickly.