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Ozempic is another quick fix. You're going to be thin, but if you don't put in the work lifting weights and eating protien you're just a younger old person with
by LurkandComment 9mo ago
Ozempic is another quick fix. You're going to be thin, but if you don't put in the work lifting weights and eating protien you're just a younger old person with advanced sarcopenia. One fall and your hip shatters. It won't address any other inactivity related illnesses and comes with its own issues. Ex. Bladder not being able to handle bile etc. I get it for advance stage diabetics who have enough nerve issues to be at risk for sepsis and amputation, I don't think it's great for average joe who just wants an easy way to lose weight.
- asah 9mo agoGLP-1s have dramatic impact on diabetes and a number of other life threatening diseases, that wildly outweigh the side effects.
- zingababba 9mo agoIn general I agree. However I know someone who, since they have gone on GLP-1 burp, hiccup and do this strange 'gasp' with regularity. Probably related to the delayed gastric emptying. Adjusting dose hasn't helped. To them its a good trade because they had always struggled with weight loss. When I observe them sure they look better but now it seems like they are in a different type of constant discomfort.
- watwut 9mo agoYou dont need to weight lift and eat some kind of huge amount of protein to be healthy. Do not be ridiculous. The bulky aesthetic is just that, men liking when men are bulky. And if your goal is to be thin, you should pick different sport then weight lifting.
- glanzwulf 9mo agojust because you lift weights and eat protein doesn't mean you'll be bulky, do not be ridiculous.
- swat535 9mo agoAlso it's difficult to achieve body builders top shapes, most of them are naturally gifted and are on some kind of enhancement drugs. That being said, you will look pretty good for your size if you moderately lift heavier weights and eat your protein + calories.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoThere's a valid point buried in there, though; that being skinny won't make you fit / healthy by itself. You don't have to lift weights, but you do have to be a little active in some way.
- davey48016 9mo agoThere's more and more research that says you do need to do some sort of resistance/strength training to minimize morbidity and mortality. It doesn't have to be weight lifting, but if you're only doing cardio you're missing something.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoI don't minmax life for the same reason I don't minmax games. We had healthy people before the recent weight lifting craze; my strength training is rock climbing.
- davey48016 9mo agoRock climbing is probably going to be just as good at weight lifting. My understanding of the mental model here is: Up until around age 60, your body adjusts your muscle mass based on usage. Somewhere around 60, you start losing muscle mass. If you have just enough muscle for day to day activities in a sedentary life at that point, then over time daily tasks like carrying groceries or standing up out of a chair are going to become prohibitively difficult. You need to do something that encourages your body to grow more muscle than you need for day to day life so that you can afford to lose some of it.
- triceratops 9mo ago> We had healthy people before the recent weight lifting craze Most people did manual labor. Even if they didn't, everyone walked more, or rode horses, chopped wood, drew water from wells, and did a hundred other things that required using their muscles in a way that's just not necessary today. > my strength training is rock climbing That's weight lifting too. Bodyweight is still weight.
- triceratops 9mo agoYou've obviously never lifted weights in your life. Or you're naturally gifted and put on muscle as soon as you touch a barbell. Most people are not like this. They can lift weights and benefit from a stronger body without looking any different.
- swat535 9mo agoLifting weights will adjust your body shape for the better, I'm not sure how you can lift heavy weights without looking different?
- triceratops 9mo agoYou have to go quite heavy and do it very frequently to actually look bulky, or even visibly muscular, when fully dressed. The effects of moderate weight lifting - defined loosely by me as squatting at most your body weight on a barbell - are barely visible. But you will feel much better on a day-to-day basis and all your health numbers will improve massively.
- reedf1 9mo agoyou basically do, especially older people and women. it helps significantly with bone density, balance, and other markers for long-term health. the idea that weight lifting is just for men (or that bulking up is something you can do by accident) is an idea that should (and is) dying quickly.
- sschueller 9mo agoThe most absurd thing I have read regarding this topic is people asking for advice on life style changes they can do in order to reduce the Ozempic side effects...
- ceejayoz 9mo agoAre you similarly baffled by marathon runners swapping tips on how to soothe sore feet?
- sschueller 9mo agoThat is no way the same thing, to reduce Ozempic side effects you need to eat healthier and exercise...
- idopmstuff 9mo agoSure it's not a cure-all, but for the overwhelming majority of people who are obese, being thin and not lifting weights would be an improvement health-wise. If the alternative to using Ozempic is eating a healthy diet and exercising regularly, then sure, the latter is better, but the target population for it is people who have spent many years not eating healthy or exercising and who are unlikely to start in the near future.
- volkercraig 9mo agoWhy are you writing off eliminating obesity as something purely cosmetic? Obesity itself is the most costly affliction by far in the west. It increases all cause mortality, increases healthcare cost, and reduces outcomes for surgeries and rehabilitation after accidents. It reduces work efficiency, reduces lifespan, increases public infrastructure cost by requiring design for things like seatbelt extenders, large corridors for parking mobility scooters etc etc. It promotes food waste, increases energy usage... I could go on and on, but the general idea is that bigger people = bigger costs for everything. Im not sure why theres such a diataste for just letting fat people take a pill/injection to lose weight. The current advice of telling them "lose weight fatty" is clearly not working on a societal level. When GLPs and naltrexone therapies become ubiquitous we are looking at vastly reduced healthcare costs. There is also a good possibility that GLPs will kill the fast food industry, which means less fat kids, which means less fat adults.
- thefz 9mo agoThe West =/= America
- wryoak 9mo agoThe west = the western hemisphere, the new world, the Americas, from the Northwest Territories to Patagonia But why trouble yourself to distinguish anyway? 30% of the Irish are obese, 28% of the UK, nearly a quarter of Belgians and Germans. If over a fifth of your population is sick, does it really bolster your national ego so much that some other place is sicker?
- thefz 9mo ago> does it really bolster your national ego so much that some other place is sicker? Does it really bolster your national ego so much that some other place is as sick as you?
- wryoak 9mo agoI don’t want anyone to be sick, and I think that’s the point of these drugs, but there seems to be a lot of finger pointing rather than celebration
- davey48016 9mo agoEven if you're active, body fat is still a contest between food drive and will power, which vary widely between people based on genetics and upbringing. Realistically, people with very high food drive and easy access to junk food are going to struggle to maintain a healthy level of body fat even with an active lifestyle. I know several people who lift weights three times a week, run for at least thirty minutes three times a week, and were still consistently 20-40 pounds overweight before Ozempic and similar drugs.
- ycdeebs 9mo agoYou can’t outwork a bad diet. Exercise all you want, but for most people, if you eat garbage food in large quantities, you will be overweight. I am exactly the same, btw. Most of my family was overweight when I was growing up. I was a fat kid, all the way through high school. Since then, I have been exercising consistently for 40+ years. Lifting weights, bicycling, walking every day, etc. But I still need to not just eat everything I want or I will gain weight. I try to avoid junk food, fast food, eating out, MOST days. Personally, I do one “cheat day” per week (see Tim Ferris’ Slow Carb diet for roughly the idea, although I’m not militant about the foods he says are ok, etc.). I’m around 20% bodyfat at 5’10” in my early 60s, so I could use to drop 5-10 pounds of fat. What boggles my mind is that everyone says I’m crazy to think I need to lose ANY weight. I’ve got clearly visible fat around my middle and other areas, even if I’m not “technically obese”. I don’t look great in most clothes. But compared to the typical person (my age or not), people think I’m in great shape. I wouldn’t say what I do is incredibly hard. But it’s also not just “do whatever you want all the time”.
- davey48016 9mo ago> You can’t outwork a bad diet. I completely agree. > I wouldn’t say what I do is incredibly hard. But it’s also not just “do whatever you want all the time”. I think the difficulty varies from person to person a lot more than people realize. We all end up making decisions between what we want to eat and what we think we should eat, but the level of deprivation people feel when they forego the tasty option for the healthy option seems to vary. I think we eat similarly, and it's not incredibly hard for me, but I think it's much harder for some people.
- thefz 9mo agoYou don't even have to exercise to lose weight. Try to make a sedentary person to sweat 500kcal a day, or not eating them, and see which is easier
- aradox66 9mo agoResearch suggests that aerobic fitness largely compensates for the negative health effects of being overweight. https://www.physiologicallyspeaking.com/p/physiology-friday-281-fitness-matters https://www.physiologicallyspeaking.com/p/physiology-friday-... e.g. being aerobically trained and overweight may be more or less equivalent to being at a healthy weight but not training. obviously the best case scenario is to be at a healthy weight and trained. additionally, aerobic training is much more achievable and sustainable for most people long term than weight loss.