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This kind of implies a legitimacy that AA just doesn't have. They're not 'a' non-profit, and there's simply no way to know that they're not taking in loads of m

by squigz 10mo ago

This kind of implies a legitimacy that AA just doesn't have. They're not 'a' non-profit, and there's simply no way to know that they're not taking in loads of money and pocketing it.

chrisjj 10mo ago
> They're not 'a' non-profit How do you know? > and there's simply no way to know that they're not taking in loads of money and pocketing it. Or that they are, right?
- tokai 10mo ago
  They are not a non-profit because they are not a registered company/organization.
  - chrisjj 10mo ago
    There is no requirement for a non-profit organisation to be registered.
    - tokai 10mo ago
      There is. Without a legal framework its just an association that claims not to make a profit. This is all word games though as be clearly don't agree on the definition of a non-profit organization.
      - chrisjj 10mo ago
        > There is. No. In UK, many an unregistered association is a non-profit e.g. sports clubs, volunteer groups, societies.
        krick 10mo ago
        In UK there is simply no such status as "non-profit", so technically none of what you listed are "non-profit" organizations. These are unincorporated associations, that, by the way, can be making profit (but that would be on shaky grounds, since common law makes it hard not to fuck up, being as vague as it always is). However, there is a "charity" status in UK, and you'd have be a registered organization to obtain it. Anyway, "non-profit" is (i.e. "only makes sense defined as...") a legal status, it isn't just a way to say "not making money" (after all, we wouldn't call any failing business a non-profit, right?), so it really doesn't make any sense to ask if an illegal underground gang is "non-profit". GP is correct to point that out.
        chrisjj 10mo ago
        > In UK there is simply no such status as "non-profit" Incorrect. ‐-------- https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/non-profit https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/non-prof... noun [ C ] uk /ˌnɒnˈprɒf.ɪt/ us /ˌnɑːnˈprɑː.fɪt/ (also not-for-profit) an organization whose aim is to make money for a social or political purpose or to provide a service that people need, rather than to make a profit (Definition of non-profit from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press) ‐-------- That's Cambridge UK. > However, there is a "charity" status in UK, and you'd have be a registered organization to obtain it. Again incorrect. See https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity
        squigz 10mo ago
        I'm not entirely sure what this sort of pedantry is meant to accomplish. Congratulations on being technically correct, I suppose? Both I and GP have pointed out the crux of the matter, and you are ignoring it.
        chrisjj 9mo ago
        > Both I and GP have pointed out the crux of the matter "They're not 'a' non-profit". > and you are ignoring it. No. I am challenging it. I've seen no evidence either way and so far it seems nor have you. So let's wait and see.
    - squigz 10mo ago
      When people talk about a "non profit" entity, they are almost certainly referring to a legal non-profit. Maybe that's not what GP meant. And yes, you are technically correct in that there's no way to know that they are or are not pulling in money and pocketing it. I'm not sure how that's relevant to the questions asked but okay.
      - chrisjj 10mo ago
        > When people talk about a "non profit" entity, they are almost certainly referring to a legal non-profit. In UK, a non-profit association does not have to be legally registered to be legal.

by squigz 10mo ago

This kind of implies a legitimacy that AA just doesn't have. They're not 'a' non-profit, and there's simply no way to know that they're not taking in loads of money and pocketing it.

chrisjj 10mo ago

> They're not 'a' non-profit How do you know? > and there's simply no way to know that they're not taking in loads of money and pocketing it. Or that they are, right?

tokai 10mo ago
They are not a non-profit because they are not a registered company/organization.
- chrisjj 10mo ago
  There is no requirement for a non-profit organisation to be registered.
  - tokai 10mo ago
    There is. Without a legal framework its just an association that claims not to make a profit. This is all word games though as be clearly don't agree on the definition of a non-profit organization.
    - chrisjj 10mo ago
      > There is. No. In UK, many an unregistered association is a non-profit e.g. sports clubs, volunteer groups, societies.
      - krick 10mo ago
        In UK there is simply no such status as "non-profit", so technically none of what you listed are "non-profit" organizations. These are unincorporated associations, that, by the way, can be making profit (but that would be on shaky grounds, since common law makes it hard not to fuck up, being as vague as it always is). However, there is a "charity" status in UK, and you'd have be a registered organization to obtain it. Anyway, "non-profit" is (i.e. "only makes sense defined as...") a legal status, it isn't just a way to say "not making money" (after all, we wouldn't call any failing business a non-profit, right?), so it really doesn't make any sense to ask if an illegal underground gang is "non-profit". GP is correct to point that out.
        chrisjj 10mo ago
        > In UK there is simply no such status as "non-profit" Incorrect. ‐-------- https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/non-profit https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/non-prof... noun [ C ] uk /ˌnɒnˈprɒf.ɪt/ us /ˌnɑːnˈprɑː.fɪt/ (also not-for-profit) an organization whose aim is to make money for a social or political purpose or to provide a service that people need, rather than to make a profit (Definition of non-profit from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press) ‐-------- That's Cambridge UK. > However, there is a "charity" status in UK, and you'd have be a registered organization to obtain it. Again incorrect. See https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity
        squigz 10mo ago
        I'm not entirely sure what this sort of pedantry is meant to accomplish. Congratulations on being technically correct, I suppose? Both I and GP have pointed out the crux of the matter, and you are ignoring it.
        chrisjj 9mo ago
        > Both I and GP have pointed out the crux of the matter "They're not 'a' non-profit". > and you are ignoring it. No. I am challenging it. I've seen no evidence either way and so far it seems nor have you. So let's wait and see.
  - squigz 10mo ago
    When people talk about a "non profit" entity, they are almost certainly referring to a legal non-profit. Maybe that's not what GP meant. And yes, you are technically correct in that there's no way to know that they are or are not pulling in money and pocketing it. I'm not sure how that's relevant to the questions asked but okay.
    - chrisjj 10mo ago
      > When people talk about a "non profit" entity, they are almost certainly referring to a legal non-profit. In UK, a non-profit association does not have to be legally registered to be legal.