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> Beijing showed the way. We followed their path. lol, just like China invented social credit scores which are for social control and definitely not like US cr

by lovich 10mo ago

> Beijing showed the way. We followed their path. lol, just like China invented social credit scores which are for social control and definitely not like US credit scores which are just good business sense Edit: to be clear I am saying this from a US centric viewpoint. China is catching up but they’ve been behind us for over a century tech wise and the US has been really good at pioneering new forms of injustice. I’m laughing at the idea that we were trailing behind them on learning new for handling their population

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
> like China invented social credit scores which are for social control and definitely not like US credit scores which are just good business sense …yes. You don’t get your credit score dinged because you tweeted something naughty. You can be a felon with perfect credit.
- lovich 10mo ago
  Brah, some employers in the US check your credit score to make sure you are trustworthy enough. Your credit score can be checked in multiple other situations that have nothing to do with you taking on debt, but still somehow your debt factors into the decision. If you think there is no social control as part of this system, then you are just blind to the system you grew up in
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > some employers in the US check your credit score to make sure you are trustworthy enough Sure. They’re evaluating your creditworthiness. What they’re not measuring is your political coherence or social “goodness.” The closest thing we have to a social score is a criminal record.
    - lovich 10mo ago
      Does the chinese system go farther than the US one in control? yes Does the US system that gets used to influence your behavior also social control? yes
- thrance 10mo ago
  You should read up on China's credit score. There are a lot of misinformations about it online. In effect, it does little more than the US credit scores that inspired it.
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > You should read up on China's credit score I could really say the same to you. Emphasizing original sources, not summaries. > In effect, it does little more than the US credit scores that inspired it “Little more” does a lot of heavy lifting here. The nuclear bomb was inspired by the explosive power of TNT.
    - lenocinor 10mo ago
      I’m often not a fan of the Chinese government’s practices, but I think the parent is right here personally. I think Wikipedia does a nice job discussing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconcep...
      - lovich 10mo ago
        Thank you. It is infuriating to see my fellow countrymen criticize another system so heavily, when we are living under a largely similar system. Especially after finding out that the current credit score system was only adopted in 1989, so it’s just another yoke millennials and younger have to live with, that our forefathers got to start their adult life without having to deal with
    - tomjakubowski 10mo ago
      Would you share an example of a Chinese citizen's social credit score having been dinged because they posted something naughty online?

by lovich 10mo ago

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago

> like China invented social credit scores which are for social control and definitely not like US credit scores which are just good business sense …yes. You don’t get your credit score dinged because you tweeted something naughty. You can be a felon with perfect credit.

lovich 10mo ago
Brah, some employers in the US check your credit score to make sure you are trustworthy enough. Your credit score can be checked in multiple other situations that have nothing to do with you taking on debt, but still somehow your debt factors into the decision. If you think there is no social control as part of this system, then you are just blind to the system you grew up in
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > some employers in the US check your credit score to make sure you are trustworthy enough Sure. They’re evaluating your creditworthiness. What they’re not measuring is your political coherence or social “goodness.” The closest thing we have to a social score is a criminal record.
  - lovich 10mo ago
    Does the chinese system go farther than the US one in control? yes Does the US system that gets used to influence your behavior also social control? yes
thrance 10mo ago
You should read up on China's credit score. There are a lot of misinformations about it online. In effect, it does little more than the US credit scores that inspired it.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > You should read up on China's credit score I could really say the same to you. Emphasizing original sources, not summaries. > In effect, it does little more than the US credit scores that inspired it “Little more” does a lot of heavy lifting here. The nuclear bomb was inspired by the explosive power of TNT.
  - lenocinor 10mo ago
    I’m often not a fan of the Chinese government’s practices, but I think the parent is right here personally. I think Wikipedia does a nice job discussing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconcep...
    - lovich 10mo ago
      Thank you. It is infuriating to see my fellow countrymen criticize another system so heavily, when we are living under a largely similar system. Especially after finding out that the current credit score system was only adopted in 1989, so it’s just another yoke millennials and younger have to live with, that our forefathers got to start their adult life without having to deal with
  - tomjakubowski 10mo ago
    Would you share an example of a Chinese citizen's social credit score having been dinged because they posted something naughty online?