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In both systems the law is being carefully followed to support inhumane goals
by kingkawn 9mo ago
In both systems the law is being carefully followed to support inhumane goals
- concinds 9mo agoICE and USBP are quite famously breaking many laws.
- mlrtime 9mo agoUnfortunately ICE has somewhat broad powers that allow them to enforce Federal laws that local LEOs cannot get away with. This should be challenged in a court.
- hwguy45 9mo agoSome say unfortunate, others say fortunate. It's a luxury belief to want to let people walk across the border and have no repercussions. Enforce the border, get all the illegals out.
- goatlover 9mo agoEveryone in this country regardless of their status is still guaranteed due process by the Constitution. The Venezuelans and Abrego Garcia sent to CECOT was done without due process and in violation of a Federal Judge's orders. Not to mention CECOT is a horrible prison. I think it's cruel and inhuman to deport people already here unless they're engaged in criminal activities. Most of them are hard working people who gave up everything to flee bad circumstances in their home countries. We're a nation of immigrants. You want the border secure, fine (I would prefer immigration reform since we have a large country and tons of economic opportunity migrants fulfill). But don't be so cruel as to support what ICE is doing to hard working people who have established lives here. Most of them are not criminals.
- pandaman 9mo agoYou believe laws were not followed in the case of deportations and seem to be angry about that but simultaneously you want the laws, that demand deportations of illegal aliens, to not be followed. Do you notice any irrationality with this position?
- mlrtime 9mo agoUnfortunately for them they are technically criminals by entering illegally. They all knew they were taking a calculated risk by coming here, some made it, some did not. Agreed on the reform, we are in a pendulum stage now where the previous admin let too many in without reform (The first 3 years) and how it's gone too far the other way.
- heavyset_go 9mo agoOverstay and unlawful presence are civil offenses, not criminal. Vast majority of undocumented people overstay visas and entered legally. Asylum seekers are being abducted and deported to countries they have no ties to. It's perfectly legal to cross borders without inspection to seek asylum.
- hwguy45 9mo agoThey are still deportable crimes. You cannot walk into a country and never leave just "because". And no, the vast majority are not overstays. Less than half are overstays that came here legally [0]. So 58% crossed the border illegally. Asylum seekers have been coached on what to say to claim asylum. Few are seeking asylum at all. The system is obviously being abused when these people vacation back to their home country that was so "dangerous" they claimed asylum. [0] https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47848 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47848
- mlrtime 9mo agoAgain, this is the purpose of ICE with broad Federal powers. Why didn't the previous administrations change it? Perhaps next time they will?
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- kingkawn 9mo agoI admit I didn’t expect this pushback against America’s corrupt current regime which is obviously morally bankrupt. But, by the letter of the law and the function of the court system they are acting with complete impunity within what they have been permitted to do to the detriment of people everywhere.
- lostlogin 9mo ago> In both systems the law is being carefully followed to support inhumane goals I’m not sure it is though, there are plenty of headlines about judicial orders being disregarded. This last few weeks it has been the required release of the Epstein papers, though that has been railroaded by a conveniently timed attack on a neighbour. There are plenty of other examples.
- 15155 9mo agoWhy do we need to give free stuff to every person that wades across the southern border? What is our legal or moral obligation to eviscerate our already-limited social safety net for outsiders who, by and large, do not contribute to them? You are free to die on the cross and spend your income this way, but how is it "humane" to use violence (taxes) to reappropriate the fruits of my labor for your special interests?
- kingkawn 9mo agoBc these immigrants as a whole contribute more to the federal state and local tax base than they take out, it’s super simple. I guess you don’t like the economy.
- 15155 9mo agoAnother artful legal vs. illegal conflation - citation needed. I have no doubt in my mind folks coming in on H-1B and O-1 visas contribute more than they take out: nobody is disputing that. When an illegal immigrant making $2/hr under the table cuts his hand off at a meat packing plant, who pays the hospital bill? How many tax dollars does this one incident wipe out?
- goatlover 9mo agoVastly less than the tax dollars for all the foreign military interventions including the latest adventure in Venezuela, if you're really worried about wasting tax dollars. A universal healthcare system would cover everyone in the country when it's needed. The US is a massive, highly developed economy, no reason we couldn't fund that.
- Hikikomori 9mo agoUS foreign "policy" is part of why you call them shitholes, then you wonder why they come there.