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It’s not just facial it’s also gait recognition too.

ikekkdcjkfke 9mo ago
Mostly gait probably. I wonder if there are any hacker techniques to scramble gait, like putting wooden planks or plastic parts inside clothes
- ileonichwiesz 9mo ago
  I remember reading that early systems could be defeated entirely by putting a pebble in your shoe, but I’m sure they’ve improved a lot since.
- raverbashing 9mo ago
  The UK once had a ministry specialized on that /s
- duk3luk3 9mo ago
  gait recognition is a pseudoscience. this is also obvious from the way it is used: to fabricate a pretext to detain undesirables.
- wiether 9mo ago
  IIRC that's exactly what a character did in either Person of Interest or Mr. Robot (I have a very hard time to distinguish both in my memory since they were so similar in their themes)
- bakies 9mo ago
  does rock in shoe work? That's the only way i've heard
JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> It’s not just facial it’s also gait recognition too Source? Where would they get the fingerprints from?
- fc417fc802 9mo ago
  Hypothetically speaking couldn't you collect it from any security camera in an area where you have positive ID on people? Airport security comes to mind. With all the trade in personal data in the US I assume it's only a matter of time before places like grocery stores start selling it. Why stop at just gait though? Geometric fingerprinting of various body parts is also possible. Palm geometry readers have been commonplace for a long time.
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > couldn't you collect it from any security camera in an area where you have positive ID on people? Airport security comes to mind Going out on a limb and guessing illegal migrants aren’t going through airport security.
    - fc417fc802 9mo ago
      That's just one that comes to mind. Anywhere that has positive ID would work. Which if we account for data brokers can potentially include anywhere you use a credit card. (Yes that will not be a perfect 1 to 1. Obviously that doesn't really matter in practice. LE is used to dealing with lots of noise.) But suppose there's no hit. That's a hit in and of itself. Someone just needs to have the idea to have the software that ICE agents use flag anyone who fails all recognition methods (facial, gate, etc) because it means they haven't been through an airport, haven't crossed a border in a legal manner, don't have a passport, and don't show up with any of the data brokers.
    - amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
      Plenty of people overstay their visa. And then we have the administration changing the rules to make people that were legal, suddenly not.
- squigz 9mo ago
  Fingerprints? Wrong appendages, unless I don't know what "gait" means

Mostly gait probably. I wonder if there are any hacker techniques to scramble gait, like putting wooden planks or plastic parts inside clothes

ileonichwiesz 9mo ago
I remember reading that early systems could be defeated entirely by putting a pebble in your shoe, but I’m sure they’ve improved a lot since.
raverbashing 9mo ago
The UK once had a ministry specialized on that /s
duk3luk3 9mo ago
gait recognition is a pseudoscience. this is also obvious from the way it is used: to fabricate a pretext to detain undesirables.
wiether 9mo ago
IIRC that's exactly what a character did in either Person of Interest or Mr. Robot (I have a very hard time to distinguish both in my memory since they were so similar in their themes)
bakies 9mo ago
does rock in shoe work? That's the only way i've heard

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago

> It’s not just facial it’s also gait recognition too Source? Where would they get the fingerprints from?

fc417fc802 9mo ago
Hypothetically speaking couldn't you collect it from any security camera in an area where you have positive ID on people? Airport security comes to mind. With all the trade in personal data in the US I assume it's only a matter of time before places like grocery stores start selling it. Why stop at just gait though? Geometric fingerprinting of various body parts is also possible. Palm geometry readers have been commonplace for a long time.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > couldn't you collect it from any security camera in an area where you have positive ID on people? Airport security comes to mind Going out on a limb and guessing illegal migrants aren’t going through airport security.
  - fc417fc802 9mo ago
    That's just one that comes to mind. Anywhere that has positive ID would work. Which if we account for data brokers can potentially include anywhere you use a credit card. (Yes that will not be a perfect 1 to 1. Obviously that doesn't really matter in practice. LE is used to dealing with lots of noise.) But suppose there's no hit. That's a hit in and of itself. Someone just needs to have the idea to have the software that ICE agents use flag anyone who fails all recognition methods (facial, gate, etc) because it means they haven't been through an airport, haven't crossed a border in a legal manner, don't have a passport, and don't show up with any of the data brokers.
  - amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
    Plenty of people overstay their visa. And then we have the administration changing the rules to make people that were legal, suddenly not.
squigz 9mo ago
Fingerprints? Wrong appendages, unless I don't know what "gait" means