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The world is upside down when college-educated white and Asian males making $60k+ a year ($40 an hour programmers) are "the weak", isn't it? I just have to put

by patio11 14y ago

The world is upside down when college-educated white and Asian males making $60k+ a year ($40 an hour programmers) are "the weak", isn't it? I just have to put that out there. Vis-a-vis businesses it can actually make sense, because any business which is e.g. hiring an intermediate Ruby developer for $40 an hour is exploiting him, but "Five figures a month is unachievably high! There are no reliable ways of earning that! (+) The people who tell you otherwise are exceptions! You are an effing commodity who is indistinguishable from a $5 an hour code monkey in a low-wage country! Do not aspire above your station! Play your part!" is not advice which has his best interests at heart. + Freelance Rails developers can put out a shingle and get $100 an hour, which trivially gets them to $10k a month even at about 70% utilization. The interesting business problems are in getting from $10k to $20k and then points beyond. Advice which meaningfully accelerates that is worth what the sophisticated, rabidly skeptical, too-smart-to-realize-when-they're-being-stupid developer community will pay for it.

righyeah 14y ago
Your first sentence is good. But putting it out there suggest I've hit a nerve. Indeed, the world may turned upside down. What is sleaze today may not be sleaze many years from now. It is too early to tell what will become acceptable as a norm in the unforseeable future. I refer only to the present and the forseeable future. If this type of "business" was unquestionably acceptable practice today, there would be no nerve to hit. There would be not point to argue. But your opening sentence also attempts to confuse the issue. To use an infommercial example, selling advice on how to produce infommercials does not mean "the weak" are the folks who purchase this advice. While one may be further removed from the business of actually interfacing with "the weak", it does not make one's business any less reliant on that target audience. It is what it is. This sort of business is fine for some people. I'm simply saying it's not for everyone and it will continue to carry a stigma.
ahoyhere 14y ago
If you know where I can hire decent Rails developers for $100 an hour or less, please let me know! That's not the kind of rate I see. Just a couple weeks ago a talented 15-year-old in Belarus told me his rate was $100/hr. And when I said "Sorry, you don't have the experience to justify that rate for me," he told me his last client paid just a little less.
- varjag 14y ago
  This is not a typical rate in Belarus. A competent Java developer would net you €25 or so.
- juddlyon 14y ago
  Speaking of salesmanship, this kid has a great future!
- GFischer 14y ago
  "If you know where I can hire decent Rails developers for $100 an hour or less, please let me know! That's not the kind of rate I see." Montevideo, Uruguay. Mail me if you want - I'm not the talented Rails developer, sadly, but I know some guys that worked at Cubox (http://cuboxlabs.com/ http://cuboxlabs.com/).
- nasmorn 14y ago
  I am a reasonabl competent rails developer (doing it for more than five years, actually shipping products) working out of Vienna. Apart from a largish startup gig I also consult/freelance parttime. If you are interested we can have coffee(if you are still based in vienna else skype/email) and talk about your project needs and schedules.

by patio11 14y ago

righyeah 14y ago

Your first sentence is good. But putting it out there suggest I've hit a nerve. Indeed, the world may turned upside down. What is sleaze today may not be sleaze many years from now. It is too early to tell what will become acceptable as a norm in the unforseeable future. I refer only to the present and the forseeable future. If this type of "business" was unquestionably acceptable practice today, there would be no nerve to hit. There would be not point to argue. But your opening sentence also attempts to confuse the issue. To use an infommercial example, selling advice on how to produce infommercials does not mean "the weak" are the folks who purchase this advice. While one may be further removed from the business of actually interfacing with "the weak", it does not make one's business any less reliant on that target audience. It is what it is. This sort of business is fine for some people. I'm simply saying it's not for everyone and it will continue to carry a stigma.

ahoyhere 14y ago

If you know where I can hire decent Rails developers for $100 an hour or less, please let me know! That's not the kind of rate I see. Just a couple weeks ago a talented 15-year-old in Belarus told me his rate was $100/hr. And when I said "Sorry, you don't have the experience to justify that rate for me," he told me his last client paid just a little less.

varjag 14y ago
This is not a typical rate in Belarus. A competent Java developer would net you €25 or so.
juddlyon 14y ago
Speaking of salesmanship, this kid has a great future!
GFischer 14y ago
"If you know where I can hire decent Rails developers for $100 an hour or less, please let me know! That's not the kind of rate I see." Montevideo, Uruguay. Mail me if you want - I'm not the talented Rails developer, sadly, but I know some guys that worked at Cubox (http://cuboxlabs.com/ http://cuboxlabs.com/).
nasmorn 14y ago
I am a reasonabl competent rails developer (doing it for more than five years, actually shipping products) working out of Vienna. Apart from a largish startup gig I also consult/freelance parttime. If you are interested we can have coffee(if you are still based in vienna else skype/email) and talk about your project needs and schedules.