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Before planscope it was projectorpm.com, cease-and-desist copyright issue. The book and podcast are relatively new. I'm the owner of We Are Titans, my consulta

by bdunn 14y ago

Before planscope it was projectorpm.com, cease-and-desist copyright issue. The book and podcast are relatively new. I'm the owner of We Are Titans, my consultancy, and it's been around since 2008. Before that, I was just a freelancer. Also, http://hamptonroads.com/2011/11/small-tech-we-are-titans-offer-west-coast-values http://hamptonroads.com/2011/11/small-tech-we-are-titans-off... Lastly, I'm not trying to say I'm some uber consultant extraordinaire. But I know what's worked for me, and have had a serious amount of positive reception (success stories) from my book. I think that's what matters most.

larrys 14y ago
If I challenge you it's for discussion. Also to point out that others might be thinking the things that I think (at least some people) but not raise the issue. And you could loose business from them. They might look at your planscope page and note that there aren't bios on anyone. That may be important to them. Now if you're a 1 person company there could be a strategic reason for doing that ("better to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt"). But if you have a "crew" why not do more than just include a picture? I've been observing business for a long long time. You will do great because you've got the proper degree of BS mixed together with things that you've learned in a short period of time and the ability to take advantage of people's generally trusting nature. Nothing wrong with that. When I started my first business (long time ago) I didn't have any employees and I had a big customer that wanted to visit (physical location - about 1500sf). So I brought in people to just stand around and look like I had employees. I got the contract and kept it for almost 5 or 6 years. I'm lucky that the person giving the contract wasn't me and wasn't able to see through it. Added: "I'm the owner of We Are Titans, my consultancy" your HN profile doesn't say this, it should.
- ahoyhere 14y ago
  "the ability to take advantage of people's generally trusting nature" --> Nothing like an ad hominem buried in the midst of a paragraph and then immediately denied as an ad hominem. Cite? What evidence do you have that bdunn is "taking advantage" of anyone… or that anything he has written is "BS."
  - larrys 14y ago
    "Nothing like an ad hominem" Well if that's an ad hominem then my example of what I've done myself wouldn't have been used, would it? And where are the words "taking advantage" which you quote appearing in anything that I have written?
    - icebraining 14y ago
      where are the words "taking advantage" which you quote appearing in anything that I have written? Are you serious? They're right there in the second paragraph!
      - ahoyhere 14y ago
        When a person argues from passion instead of reason, this is the kind of thing that results. A person who argues from passion isn't even fully aware of the words coming out of his mouth (keyboard), because it's a wave of sheer emotion. I'm glad this is in text, because it's much easier to spot.
      - larrys 14y ago
        Sorry saying "taking advantage" and "take advantage of people's generally trusting nature" is not the same thing. Or at least that was not my intent when I stated that. If I do consulting in an area I am knowledgeable in I am "taking advantage of people's lack of experience in XYZ". Further example: "Taking advantage" used alone without a qualifier is like "taking advantage of a girl" (say at a vulnerable moment). Someone is vulnerable so you take advantage of them. "Taking advantage of a girl's tendency to want a well educated guy", used in that context is not the same "taking advantage". The first is a negative. The second realizes and fulfills people's innate makeup. What about "taking advantage of an airfare sale" or "taking advantage of a discount offered". So why is the use of "taking advantage" with a qualifier bad? "take advantage of people's generally trusting nature" does not in itself imply someone has done something wrong. Just like saying "take advantage of lax security and therefore brought extra liquids on board the aircraft" does not imply something bad has happened.
    - cableguy123 14y ago
- bdunn 14y ago
  I'm just confused about why you think I'm running a smoke-and-mirrors shop. I have a ton of testimonials from people thanking me for helping them raise their rates. If you email me, I'll send them to you. I take a lot of offense that you think I have "the proper degree of BS mixed together with things I've learned in a short period of time" and that I'm "taking advantage of people." I am delivering value in exchange for money. If people didn't think the value outweighed the cost, I'd be getting refund requests. By stating in your profile that you had a really expensive, old computer back in the day - I'm guessing you're older, and there's ageism at play against me? My customers don't care what degrees or credentials I have attached to my name, as long as I deliver on my promise - which I have.
  - bravoyankee 14y ago
    You and Patrick have done an exemplary job of leveraging the herd mentality, but some of us are getting tired of the pitch. How many times are you going to try and milk this cow?
    - jbigelow76 14y ago
      As long as people keep buying I'd assume.
    - aytekin 14y ago
      I received a lot of value from Patrick's lifecycle emails course. I hope he creates more courses/products like that.
      - thomaslangston 14y ago
        For me specifically it was being able to talk to our head finance guy intelligently about how cash flow, customer acquisition costs, and customer lifetime value relate. While I can't put a dollar amount on it yet, I can say I think our finance guy's opinion of me was raised a notch.
    - ahoyhere 14y ago
      "Herd" "milk" "cow" --> classic poisoning the well, utterly (udderly?) without basis or merit. Factual arguments make us smarter. What you are writing makes the discourse dumber. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well
- AVTizzle 14y ago
  "If I challenge you it's for discussion... you've learned in a short period of time and the ability to take advantage of people's generally trusting nature. Nothing wrong with that." Larry - reading this along with your other snips at patio and bdunn, I feel compelled to point out that you're coming off as slightly crazy. No offense. If that was challenging it was for the sake of discussion.
  - bravoyankee 14y ago
    I think Larry was being facetious, especially considering the context of the comment.
  - larrys 14y ago
    Please point out exactly what "snips" I took at patio11
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by bdunn 14y ago

larrys 14y ago

If I challenge you it's for discussion. Also to point out that others might be thinking the things that I think (at least some people) but not raise the issue. And you could loose business from them. They might look at your planscope page and note that there aren't bios on anyone. That may be important to them. Now if you're a 1 person company there could be a strategic reason for doing that ("better to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt"). But if you have a "crew" why not do more than just include a picture? I've been observing business for a long long time. You will do great because you've got the proper degree of BS mixed together with things that you've learned in a short period of time and the ability to take advantage of people's generally trusting nature. Nothing wrong with that. When I started my first business (long time ago) I didn't have any employees and I had a big customer that wanted to visit (physical location - about 1500sf). So I brought in people to just stand around and look like I had employees. I got the contract and kept it for almost 5 or 6 years. I'm lucky that the person giving the contract wasn't me and wasn't able to see through it. Added: "I'm the owner of We Are Titans, my consultancy" your HN profile doesn't say this, it should.

ahoyhere 14y ago
"the ability to take advantage of people's generally trusting nature" --> Nothing like an ad hominem buried in the midst of a paragraph and then immediately denied as an ad hominem. Cite? What evidence do you have that bdunn is "taking advantage" of anyone… or that anything he has written is "BS."
- larrys 14y ago
  "Nothing like an ad hominem" Well if that's an ad hominem then my example of what I've done myself wouldn't have been used, would it? And where are the words "taking advantage" which you quote appearing in anything that I have written?
  - icebraining 14y ago
    where are the words "taking advantage" which you quote appearing in anything that I have written? Are you serious? They're right there in the second paragraph!
    - ahoyhere 14y ago
      When a person argues from passion instead of reason, this is the kind of thing that results. A person who argues from passion isn't even fully aware of the words coming out of his mouth (keyboard), because it's a wave of sheer emotion. I'm glad this is in text, because it's much easier to spot.
    - larrys 14y ago
      Sorry saying "taking advantage" and "take advantage of people's generally trusting nature" is not the same thing. Or at least that was not my intent when I stated that. If I do consulting in an area I am knowledgeable in I am "taking advantage of people's lack of experience in XYZ". Further example: "Taking advantage" used alone without a qualifier is like "taking advantage of a girl" (say at a vulnerable moment). Someone is vulnerable so you take advantage of them. "Taking advantage of a girl's tendency to want a well educated guy", used in that context is not the same "taking advantage". The first is a negative. The second realizes and fulfills people's innate makeup. What about "taking advantage of an airfare sale" or "taking advantage of a discount offered". So why is the use of "taking advantage" with a qualifier bad? "take advantage of people's generally trusting nature" does not in itself imply someone has done something wrong. Just like saying "take advantage of lax security and therefore brought extra liquids on board the aircraft" does not imply something bad has happened.
  - cableguy123 14y ago
bdunn 14y ago
I'm just confused about why you think I'm running a smoke-and-mirrors shop. I have a ton of testimonials from people thanking me for helping them raise their rates. If you email me, I'll send them to you. I take a lot of offense that you think I have "the proper degree of BS mixed together with things I've learned in a short period of time" and that I'm "taking advantage of people." I am delivering value in exchange for money. If people didn't think the value outweighed the cost, I'd be getting refund requests. By stating in your profile that you had a really expensive, old computer back in the day - I'm guessing you're older, and there's ageism at play against me? My customers don't care what degrees or credentials I have attached to my name, as long as I deliver on my promise - which I have.
- bravoyankee 14y ago
  You and Patrick have done an exemplary job of leveraging the herd mentality, but some of us are getting tired of the pitch. How many times are you going to try and milk this cow?
  - jbigelow76 14y ago
    As long as people keep buying I'd assume.
  - aytekin 14y ago
    I received a lot of value from Patrick's lifecycle emails course. I hope he creates more courses/products like that.
    - thomaslangston 14y ago
      For me specifically it was being able to talk to our head finance guy intelligently about how cash flow, customer acquisition costs, and customer lifetime value relate. While I can't put a dollar amount on it yet, I can say I think our finance guy's opinion of me was raised a notch.
  - ahoyhere 14y ago
    "Herd" "milk" "cow" --> classic poisoning the well, utterly (udderly?) without basis or merit. Factual arguments make us smarter. What you are writing makes the discourse dumber. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well
AVTizzle 14y ago
"If I challenge you it's for discussion... you've learned in a short period of time and the ability to take advantage of people's generally trusting nature. Nothing wrong with that." Larry - reading this along with your other snips at patio and bdunn, I feel compelled to point out that you're coming off as slightly crazy. No offense. If that was challenging it was for the sake of discussion.
- bravoyankee 14y ago
  I think Larry was being facetious, especially considering the context of the comment.
- larrys 14y ago
  Please point out exactly what "snips" I took at patio11
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