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I was watching the Abrego Garcia case. It was done routinely by Garcia's lawyer. They would write an order for the judge to sign then ask them to sign it.

cogman10 10mo ago
Do you have an example of this? Generally speaking, an attorney can make a request for a ruling by the judge and the other side can oppose it. However, beyond just citing relevant case law there wouldn't be anything that could be copied verbatim by a judge. There should be relevant court filings that show what you are saying happen. Do you have them?
- mothballed 10mo ago
  Here's one: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189.83.1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589... Go to https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/abrego-garcia-v-noem/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/abrego-garcia-... and search "proposed order." You will find like 20+ of them, they are basically complete orders where they wrote the judge name and everything, just left the signature blank.
  - cogman10 10mo ago
    I see the proposed orders, but when I try to find the judge's order exactly copying the proposed order I'm not seeing it. I could be blind. For example, here's the proposed order to strike [1], and here is the Judge's order granting that strike [2] It's definitely ignorance on my part. I didn't realize the motions filed by a party ultimately took the form of unsigned orders. [1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/81/2/abrego-garcia-v-noem/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/81/2/abrego-ga... [2] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/90/abrego-garcia-v-noem/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/90/abrego-garc...
    - mothballed 10mo ago
      >ut when I try to find the judge's order exactly copying the proposed order I'm not seeing it You'll have to sift through them because it happens some of the time not all of the time. The example I gave was how they did it, if you wanted a 1:1 example in that case of the judge just signing off verbatim below ought to fit: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189.69.1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589... and https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189.70.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589... look identical to me, and if not damn near it.
NewJazz 10mo ago
Isn't an order a bit different from an opinion? An opinion contains reasoning and a decision. An order is meant to effect those decisions.

cogman10 10mo ago

Do you have an example of this? Generally speaking, an attorney can make a request for a ruling by the judge and the other side can oppose it. However, beyond just citing relevant case law there wouldn't be anything that could be copied verbatim by a judge. There should be relevant court filings that show what you are saying happen. Do you have them?

mothballed 10mo ago
Here's one: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189.83.1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589... Go to https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/abrego-garcia-v-noem/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/abrego-garcia-... and search "proposed order." You will find like 20+ of them, they are basically complete orders where they wrote the judge name and everything, just left the signature blank.
- cogman10 10mo ago
  I see the proposed orders, but when I try to find the judge's order exactly copying the proposed order I'm not seeing it. I could be blind. For example, here's the proposed order to strike [1], and here is the Judge's order granting that strike [2] It's definitely ignorance on my part. I didn't realize the motions filed by a party ultimately took the form of unsigned orders. [1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/81/2/abrego-garcia-v-noem/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/81/2/abrego-ga... [2] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/90/abrego-garcia-v-noem/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71191591/90/abrego-garc...
  - mothballed 10mo ago
    >ut when I try to find the judge's order exactly copying the proposed order I'm not seeing it You'll have to sift through them because it happens some of the time not all of the time. The example I gave was how they did it, if you wanted a 1:1 example in that case of the judge just signing off verbatim below ought to fit: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189.69.1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589... and https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189/gov.uscourts.mdd.589189.70.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.589... look identical to me, and if not damn near it.

NewJazz 10mo ago

Isn't an order a bit different from an opinion? An opinion contains reasoning and a decision. An order is meant to effect those decisions.