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> Lest you misunderstand me It's impossible to misunderstand you. You're so clearly a republican/libertarian American trying to draw me into a carefully constr

> Lest you misunderstand me It's impossible to misunderstand you. You're so clearly a republican/libertarian American trying to draw me into a carefully constructed argument as to why I should deny something the rest of the world decided long ago is a basic human right. Sorry, not interested. I also am not open to discussions on switching Canada to the imperial system, instituting Sharia law, re-enslaving black people, or any other ridiculous throwbacks. The rest of the world has moved on, feel free to join us whenever you get your act together.

ryanwaggoner 14y ago
Please stop or leave. These kinds of name-calling and rude attacks on people that you disagree with are completely unbecoming and counterproductive to any rational discussion.
- shinratdr 14y ago
  I don't have rational discussions about settled issues such as the above, much like my example topics. Just like if someone asked me "Why do blacks have all these rights?" I just simply won't entertain the thought long enough to form an argument, I'm just going to write you off. I don't see any name calling, unless you consider "American", "Republican" or "Libertarian" to be insults. My reply had a snide tone, however that was completely intentional and I stand by it. If you feel it's a negative contribution to the community overall then you're more than welcome to to downvote me and the discussion will naturally die out. However I'm not going to "stop or leave" because of your melodramatic plea.
  - ryanwaggoner 14y ago
    I'm just going to write you off. No, you're apparently going to just hurl insults, which does nothing but entrench both sides. Thank goodness that someone had the foresight to make a rational argument for civil rights at some point, or we'd still be contending with that issue as well. Hearts and minds, and you're doing nothing for either.
    - shinratdr 14y ago
      What insults? Quote one, because I have no idea what you're talking about. > Thank goodness that someone had the foresight to make a rational argument for civil rights at some point... How is trying to placate racists "foresight" exactly? Also, which "rational argument for civil rights" got you? I can picture you, all riled up and ready to be a racist... ...then someone tells you a black guy invented x and you have to sit down for a moment and re-think your philosophy on life. Give me a break.
      - ryanwaggoner 14y ago
        Sorry for not being clear; I was talking about the abolition of slavery and the height of the civil rights movement, which occurred long before I was born. I agree that it's pretty ludicrous today to have a discussion about why different races deserve equal rights under the law. But you're treating universal healthcare as being on the same level in terms being a settled issue, and it's not. I find it incredibly offensive that you equate someone believing that non-universal healthcare might be better economically for larger groups of people to someone thinking that enslaving black people is ok. Actually, I find it almost impossible to believe that you think they're equal. Do you seriously not recognize that there is substantial debate in the field of economics about this? Mostly I just find it disappointing that you apparently can't do anything in defense of your ideas other than sling mud, because you lack either the ability or the inclination. You claim it's the latter; I'm happy to take you at your word, but I'd still prefer you not do it here.
        shinratdr 14y ago
        > I find it incredibly offensive that you equate someone believing that non-universal healthcare might be better economically for larger groups of people to someone thinking that enslaving black people is ok. Good, maybe you'll think about it for two seconds then. > Actually, I find it almost impossible to believe that you think they're equal. Do you seriously not recognize that there is substantial debate in the field of economics about this? Nobody is debating this outside the US, much like Libertarianism, it's something that only exists in the dreams of those so far-gone to the right in the US that they don't know which way is up. > Mostly I just find it disappointing that you apparently can't do anything in defense of your ideas other than sling mud You aren't even partially aware of what name-calling or slinging mud are. I haven't once insulted anyone here. Nor have I attacked a poster. I wrote off my interest in the argument entirely because to me, it's a settled issue akin to slavery. That's offensive to you? You taking offense is offensive to me. We're talking about a basic human right everyone except the US has agreed upon and you're going to throw an economic argument at me? Yeah, go ahead and be offended all you want. It's pretty clear here who has empathy and who doesn't.
  - davidw 14y ago
    > My reply had a snide tone, however that was completely intentional You are acting like the poster child for why we try and keep articles like this off of HN.
    - shinratdr 14y ago
      I've already discussed my motivation and justification with you at length. If you feel I'm not contributing, just downvote and move on please. Follow your own advice and flag the article without promoting further discussion. If you feel this is the wrong topic for HN, you're only fanning the flames by continuing to discuss it with me. I'm also not sure who "we" is. I'm a member of the HN community too, thanks. My account is over 1k days old. So if you mean "me" then just say so. Don't try to disguise your motivations as those of the community, which incidentally has upvoted this and not flagged it for removal overall.
      - ryanwaggoner 14y ago
        Wrong, it was flagged and removed almost immediately. And judging by the downvotes, your immature comments aren't terribly welcome either.
        shinratdr 14y ago
        > Wrong, it was flagged and removed almost immediately. Congratulations. I'm up 20 overall from this comment string which maintained the same tone and point throughout, so I think I'm plenty welcome thanks.

ryanwaggoner 14y ago

Please stop or leave. These kinds of name-calling and rude attacks on people that you disagree with are completely unbecoming and counterproductive to any rational discussion.

shinratdr 14y ago
I don't have rational discussions about settled issues such as the above, much like my example topics. Just like if someone asked me "Why do blacks have all these rights?" I just simply won't entertain the thought long enough to form an argument, I'm just going to write you off. I don't see any name calling, unless you consider "American", "Republican" or "Libertarian" to be insults. My reply had a snide tone, however that was completely intentional and I stand by it. If you feel it's a negative contribution to the community overall then you're more than welcome to to downvote me and the discussion will naturally die out. However I'm not going to "stop or leave" because of your melodramatic plea.
- ryanwaggoner 14y ago
  I'm just going to write you off. No, you're apparently going to just hurl insults, which does nothing but entrench both sides. Thank goodness that someone had the foresight to make a rational argument for civil rights at some point, or we'd still be contending with that issue as well. Hearts and minds, and you're doing nothing for either.
  - shinratdr 14y ago
    What insults? Quote one, because I have no idea what you're talking about. > Thank goodness that someone had the foresight to make a rational argument for civil rights at some point... How is trying to placate racists "foresight" exactly? Also, which "rational argument for civil rights" got you? I can picture you, all riled up and ready to be a racist... ...then someone tells you a black guy invented x and you have to sit down for a moment and re-think your philosophy on life. Give me a break.
    - ryanwaggoner 14y ago
      Sorry for not being clear; I was talking about the abolition of slavery and the height of the civil rights movement, which occurred long before I was born. I agree that it's pretty ludicrous today to have a discussion about why different races deserve equal rights under the law. But you're treating universal healthcare as being on the same level in terms being a settled issue, and it's not. I find it incredibly offensive that you equate someone believing that non-universal healthcare might be better economically for larger groups of people to someone thinking that enslaving black people is ok. Actually, I find it almost impossible to believe that you think they're equal. Do you seriously not recognize that there is substantial debate in the field of economics about this? Mostly I just find it disappointing that you apparently can't do anything in defense of your ideas other than sling mud, because you lack either the ability or the inclination. You claim it's the latter; I'm happy to take you at your word, but I'd still prefer you not do it here.
      - shinratdr 14y ago
        > I find it incredibly offensive that you equate someone believing that non-universal healthcare might be better economically for larger groups of people to someone thinking that enslaving black people is ok. Good, maybe you'll think about it for two seconds then. > Actually, I find it almost impossible to believe that you think they're equal. Do you seriously not recognize that there is substantial debate in the field of economics about this? Nobody is debating this outside the US, much like Libertarianism, it's something that only exists in the dreams of those so far-gone to the right in the US that they don't know which way is up. > Mostly I just find it disappointing that you apparently can't do anything in defense of your ideas other than sling mud You aren't even partially aware of what name-calling or slinging mud are. I haven't once insulted anyone here. Nor have I attacked a poster. I wrote off my interest in the argument entirely because to me, it's a settled issue akin to slavery. That's offensive to you? You taking offense is offensive to me. We're talking about a basic human right everyone except the US has agreed upon and you're going to throw an economic argument at me? Yeah, go ahead and be offended all you want. It's pretty clear here who has empathy and who doesn't.
- davidw 14y ago
  > My reply had a snide tone, however that was completely intentional You are acting like the poster child for why we try and keep articles like this off of HN.
  - shinratdr 14y ago
    I've already discussed my motivation and justification with you at length. If you feel I'm not contributing, just downvote and move on please. Follow your own advice and flag the article without promoting further discussion. If you feel this is the wrong topic for HN, you're only fanning the flames by continuing to discuss it with me. I'm also not sure who "we" is. I'm a member of the HN community too, thanks. My account is over 1k days old. So if you mean "me" then just say so. Don't try to disguise your motivations as those of the community, which incidentally has upvoted this and not flagged it for removal overall.
    - ryanwaggoner 14y ago
      Wrong, it was flagged and removed almost immediately. And judging by the downvotes, your immature comments aren't terribly welcome either.
      - shinratdr 14y ago
        > Wrong, it was flagged and removed almost immediately. Congratulations. I'm up 20 overall from this comment string which maintained the same tone and point throughout, so I think I'm plenty welcome thanks.