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> Too many negative comments here. This is just someone discovering something new and sharing it very excitedly. Some of the negativity is because many people

by et-al 9mo ago

> Too many negative comments here. This is just someone discovering something new and sharing it very excitedly. Some of the negativity is because many people out there were used to this slower way of living only for capitalist techbros to optimize every waking moment everything and hasten the rat race. So now the only people who can sit idly at a cafe would be those who've already have a few million in the bank. It's similar to the CEO goes to a yoga retreat in Bali (or Burning Man) trope to rediscover being part of society.

zwnow 9mo ago
I have 500€ in my bank account, 3k debt and 30 years of work left ahead of me and I take a lot of idle time in cafes or trains or the park. I don't see the issue. The sooner one realizes that working hard isn't the key to life the sooner one realizes you'll have plenty more time. If you get something out of working hard, like joy, sure go ahead. But dont lie to yourself and think that working hard will actually ever pay off. I do not earn enough to ever afford a house without going into debt for the rest of my life. As long as I can afford a cheap place, one new book a month and a hot shower in the morning I am content with never owning anything. As thats the world all the "hard working" people shoved us into.
- johnnyanmac 9mo ago
  >I take a lot of idle time in cafes or trains or the park. I don't see the issue. Well, it sounds like you're not american. You have trains to use and clean parks, for one. That's nice. >The sooner one realizes that working hard isn't the key to life the sooner one realizes you'll have plenty more time. We're given decreasingly less choices, sadly. Work hard and cheap or be unable to pay rent and be kicked to the streets. The Social network over here is so broken that many have zero safety net, in terms of both government and community. Let alone a new book and a shower (well, maybe you get a gym subscription. I've heard that as a "life hack" for homeless people).
  - zwnow 9mo ago
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    - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
      Fair. But I'll just say that these are issues that have existed for decades. All recent times have done is bring it yo an unignorable fever pitch.
      - zwnow 9mo ago
        I'll agree on that. Europes facade is crumbling as well but people are too comfortable to do anything about it. Maybe the rough times in the USA actually make people take action.
        stateofinquiry 9mo ago
        I'm an American living in the EU for the last 1.5 y due to a work assignment. From what I observe here rough times and hard choices are coming for Europe, and probably relatively soon. I am sorry to say it, but I believe (as the saying goes) it is later than you think. As for relying on your democratic process: I hope you are right.
- et-al 9mo ago
  You don't see the issue because you're not squeezed yet. Imagine there are no more cheap places to rent anymore and American work culture invades Europe. Shops are no longer closed on Sunday, you're expected to be on call on weekends, and you have a paltry 14 days of vacation for the year.
  - zwnow 9mo ago
    This would require a lot of changes in basic human rights and legislatures that would never go through within my lifetime so Ill just not think about this. Nuclear war is far more likely to happen during my lifetime.
    - esseph 9mo ago
      > This would require a lot of changes in basic human rights and legislatures that would never go through within my lifetime I thought the same thing - US citizen
      - zwnow 9mo ago
        Compared to the USA my country has actual democratic processes and laws in place to prevent parties from undermining everything.
      - nicbou 9mo ago
        The US work culture was always insane though
  - garretraziel 9mo ago
    Wait, I live in central Europe, shops are normally open on Sunday and I do have to be on call on weekends (albeit only once a month). Did I miss the part where we became America?
hypeatei 9mo ago
Sitting with your own thoughts is privileged now? Interesting. I'll keep this in mind until there is seven digits in my bank account.
nicbou 9mo ago
Where do you live? I've travelled quite a bit and cafes and pubs are constantly filled with regular folks enjoying an idle moment. Why would so many cafes exist if only that tiny demographic patronised them?
martindbp 9mo ago
Capitalist techbros didn't force anyone to do anything. You need to take responsibility for your own life.

by et-al 9mo ago

zwnow 9mo ago

I have 500€ in my bank account, 3k debt and 30 years of work left ahead of me and I take a lot of idle time in cafes or trains or the park. I don't see the issue. The sooner one realizes that working hard isn't the key to life the sooner one realizes you'll have plenty more time. If you get something out of working hard, like joy, sure go ahead. But dont lie to yourself and think that working hard will actually ever pay off. I do not earn enough to ever afford a house without going into debt for the rest of my life. As long as I can afford a cheap place, one new book a month and a hot shower in the morning I am content with never owning anything. As thats the world all the "hard working" people shoved us into.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago
>I take a lot of idle time in cafes or trains or the park. I don't see the issue. Well, it sounds like you're not american. You have trains to use and clean parks, for one. That's nice. >The sooner one realizes that working hard isn't the key to life the sooner one realizes you'll have plenty more time. We're given decreasingly less choices, sadly. Work hard and cheap or be unable to pay rent and be kicked to the streets. The Social network over here is so broken that many have zero safety net, in terms of both government and community. Let alone a new book and a shower (well, maybe you get a gym subscription. I've heard that as a "life hack" for homeless people).
- zwnow 9mo ago
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  - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
    Fair. But I'll just say that these are issues that have existed for decades. All recent times have done is bring it yo an unignorable fever pitch.
    - zwnow 9mo ago
      I'll agree on that. Europes facade is crumbling as well but people are too comfortable to do anything about it. Maybe the rough times in the USA actually make people take action.
      - stateofinquiry 9mo ago
        I'm an American living in the EU for the last 1.5 y due to a work assignment. From what I observe here rough times and hard choices are coming for Europe, and probably relatively soon. I am sorry to say it, but I believe (as the saying goes) it is later than you think. As for relying on your democratic process: I hope you are right.
et-al 9mo ago
You don't see the issue because you're not squeezed yet. Imagine there are no more cheap places to rent anymore and American work culture invades Europe. Shops are no longer closed on Sunday, you're expected to be on call on weekends, and you have a paltry 14 days of vacation for the year.
- zwnow 9mo ago
  This would require a lot of changes in basic human rights and legislatures that would never go through within my lifetime so Ill just not think about this. Nuclear war is far more likely to happen during my lifetime.
  - esseph 9mo ago
    > This would require a lot of changes in basic human rights and legislatures that would never go through within my lifetime I thought the same thing - US citizen
    - zwnow 9mo ago
      Compared to the USA my country has actual democratic processes and laws in place to prevent parties from undermining everything.
    - nicbou 9mo ago
      The US work culture was always insane though
- garretraziel 9mo ago
  Wait, I live in central Europe, shops are normally open on Sunday and I do have to be on call on weekends (albeit only once a month). Did I miss the part where we became America?

hypeatei 9mo ago

Sitting with your own thoughts is privileged now? Interesting. I'll keep this in mind until there is seven digits in my bank account.

nicbou 9mo ago

Where do you live? I've travelled quite a bit and cafes and pubs are constantly filled with regular folks enjoying an idle moment. Why would so many cafes exist if only that tiny demographic patronised them?

martindbp 9mo ago

Capitalist techbros didn't force anyone to do anything. You need to take responsibility for your own life.