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This is what I really don’t get about these types of folks. Do they really want to remember their life’s work as “kissing ass and playing politics”? I get the “
by euifii 9mo ago
This is what I really don’t get about these types of folks. Do they really want to remember their life’s work as “kissing ass and playing politics”? I get the “work to live” and all that, but you’re basically tossing away half your life…for what, money? How much money do you need!?
- H8crilA 9mo agoYou need to have the right personality. Either actually enjoy the game, or have an unsatiable (fear-driven?) need for status, or something else of this sort. We don't get to choose our personalities, though some limited modifications are possible - see treatments for personality disorders, for example.
- BLKNSLVR 9mo ago> actually enjoy the game, or have an unsatiable (fear-driven?) need for status, or something else of this sort Ie. Somewhat serious mental disorders as requisite for leadership. I wonder how we got onto this darkest timeline?
- lotsofpulp 9mo agoDepends where you want to live, but $5M to $10M would help with enough passive income to future proof one’s family and their kids.
- euifii 9mo ago[dead]
- cherioo 9mo agoBecause that's not how they perceive their works. Instead it is "advocating for one's own team and passion", "helping others advance their career", "networking and building long-term connections".
- euifii 9mo ago[dead]
- anon84873628 9mo agoWell you can "work to live" in a nice big house, with a nanny, eating steaks, flying business class to ski in the alps or scuba in the Galapagos... I think it takes a lot of money before you feel like you don't need more money.
- mhss 9mo agoNot at all. Most people can be super happy with less than the average tech salary (at a point where they don't feel they need more if it comes at the expense of work life balance, time with family, job satisfaction, etc).
- wiseowise 9mo agoI’ll never understand this WHY X - BECAUSE Y - WELL Y IS TOO MUCH, Z IS MORE THAN ENOUGH comment trifecta. Obviously a lot of people are not super happy, otherwise they wouldn’t kiss asses and play politics to get more money.
- xnickb 9mo agoYou are responding to a "money != happiness" comment with "people kiss asses to get more money because they're unhappy". Just saying.
- BeetleB 9mo agoOther than the big house, which can easily be achieved in much of the country, nothing in the list above incentivizes me to either work harder or kids ass.
- anon84873628 9mo agoSure, lots of people don't care about those things and therefore don't shape their careers to get them. But some do, and that's what we're talking about. Though to be clear I should have said "it can take a lot of money..."
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- febusravenga 9mo agoWell, I think that it depends on perspective and motivations. Kissing asses/politics can be treated as skill used for different purposes. Imagine your ambition is to build bridge, skyscraper or fancy opera house. To be chosen as the one for such projects, you must play many games including politics. (I assume good intentions, selfish ones are possible too, but are they worth discussing?)
- mirekrusin 9mo ago> …for what, money? How much money do you need!? "more" seems to be the answer to many.
- ap99 9mo agoFor some, that's not only their competency but they enjoy it. Is building relationships and status less worthwhile than building code or bridges or houses or painting pictures? People get to choose the game they play.
- botanrice 9mo agoI question this every single day. Constantly the argument arises that if I played politics and ass-kissed, I might receive more opportunities to create bigger impact to help people / entertain people / provide some valuable service or product. Yet it feels painful to have to self-promote (even if framing it as "documentation of your work"). It is akin to musicianship in a sense. How many of the absolutely, obscenely, most talented musicians have you come across in completely obscured settings? At the pub, the hole-in-the-wall jazz club in a C-tier city, deep on the internet with 13 plays on SoundCloud. But we all know that pop music doesn't necessarily reward technical musicianship. It's similar in life & career.
- therealdrag0 9mo agoIt feels unsavory from the outside, but politics is also the art of getting stuff done. It’s not throwing your life away if you can point at an org chart and a roadmap delivered and say “I helped build that”. Leadership is just as important as implementation.