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> Since Linux has no concept of a base system, it's a stand-alone kernel with a hodgepodge of crap around it - this distinction makes no sense on Linux. The Li

> Since Linux has no concept of a base system, it's a stand-alone kernel with a hodgepodge of crap around it - this distinction makes no sense on Linux. The Linux base system is managed by the package manager, leaving local for the sysadmin to `make install` into

schmuckonwheels 10mo ago
> The Linux base system There is no such thing as a Linux base system. Separate components, separate people. Hence the term Ganoo plus Leenox...
- yjftsjthsd-h 10mo ago
  Well, no, my exact argument is that there is a base system, even if it is composed of assorted components. If you install Debian (or whatever) on a machine, the software installed by the package manager ships as a unified release that has been adapted to work together. I think it's reasonable to call that the base OS. And then, separate from that base system that is managed by the package manager, the local admin my install things into /usr/local.
  - schmuckonwheels 10mo ago
    If you can remove GNU coreutils and replace them with something else (like that Rust garbage) then you don't have a base system. You have a loose collection of packages around a kernel.
    - Krutonium 10mo ago
      Replaces the GNU Coreutils with the Rusty ones on BSD
      - hnlmorg 10mo ago
        Which BSD ships GNU Coreutils? Every occasion I’ve seen GNU coreutils installed on BSD, it’s been outside of the base and thus installed outside of /bin. Eg /usr/local or /opt/homebrew
      - LoganDark 10mo ago
        BSD has its own coreutils, in fact they even predate GNU.
  - LoganDark 10mo ago
    They're talking about Linux, the kernel. The kernel has no concept of a base system. There is initramfs and init.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 10mo ago
      Okay, that's true but other than the slight semantic point of "Linux" vs a "Linux distro" or "GNU/Linux" I don't think it matters. Whatever words you use to describe it, there is a base OS which is composed of a variety of components from different sources but which ultimately amounts to a single thing.
      - LoganDark 10mo ago
        > there is a base OS In most distributions yes, there is Linux and then there is userspace on top of it. What you call "base system" is actually part of userspace, which has nothing to do with Linux itself.
        yjftsjthsd-h 10mo ago
        No, what I call the "base system" is the result of running debootstrap, and encompasses all the packages that make a complete operating system. The kernel is just one part of the OS.

schmuckonwheels 10mo ago

> The Linux base system There is no such thing as a Linux base system. Separate components, separate people. Hence the term Ganoo plus Leenox...

yjftsjthsd-h 10mo ago
Well, no, my exact argument is that there is a base system, even if it is composed of assorted components. If you install Debian (or whatever) on a machine, the software installed by the package manager ships as a unified release that has been adapted to work together. I think it's reasonable to call that the base OS. And then, separate from that base system that is managed by the package manager, the local admin my install things into /usr/local.
- schmuckonwheels 10mo ago
  If you can remove GNU coreutils and replace them with something else (like that Rust garbage) then you don't have a base system. You have a loose collection of packages around a kernel.
  - Krutonium 10mo ago
    Replaces the GNU Coreutils with the Rusty ones on BSD
    - hnlmorg 10mo ago
      Which BSD ships GNU Coreutils? Every occasion I’ve seen GNU coreutils installed on BSD, it’s been outside of the base and thus installed outside of /bin. Eg /usr/local or /opt/homebrew
    - LoganDark 10mo ago
      BSD has its own coreutils, in fact they even predate GNU.
- LoganDark 10mo ago
  They're talking about Linux, the kernel. The kernel has no concept of a base system. There is initramfs and init.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 10mo ago
    Okay, that's true but other than the slight semantic point of "Linux" vs a "Linux distro" or "GNU/Linux" I don't think it matters. Whatever words you use to describe it, there is a base OS which is composed of a variety of components from different sources but which ultimately amounts to a single thing.
    - LoganDark 10mo ago
      > there is a base OS In most distributions yes, there is Linux and then there is userspace on top of it. What you call "base system" is actually part of userspace, which has nothing to do with Linux itself.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 10mo ago
        No, what I call the "base system" is the result of running debootstrap, and encompasses all the packages that make a complete operating system. The kernel is just one part of the OS.