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The EU also has technologies the US is completely dependent on, advanced industries need European tech to function. The tech stuff from the US is much easier t

by piva00 10mo ago

The EU also has technologies the US is completely dependent on, advanced industries need European tech to function. The tech stuff from the US is much easier to replace than the US developing litography machines on the level of ASML.

dataflow 10mo ago
Is there any reason to believe the US wouldn't use force to address this?
- Zigurd 10mo ago
  Yes. There's been no invasion of Canada, which is actively waging retaliatory economic war on the US.
  - dataflow 10mo ago
    It seems naive to assume Canada isn't on Trump's shopping list given he has said the exact opposite in the past, though I'm also not sure I understand what you mean/what that had to do with my comment.
    - morkalork 10mo ago
      It's naive to think there isn't already a 5th column at work. This guy: https://provincialtimes.ca/questions-mount-over-jamil-jivanis-nationwide-restore-the-north-tour/ https://provincialtimes.ca/questions-mount-over-jamil-jivani... Is best buds with the VP: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-canada-jd-vance-jivani-friend-1235325977/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trum... Premiers are also being courted: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-danielle-smith-visits-mar-a-lago-1.7429358 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-danielle-smit... And there's some sketchy things going on in her province: https://www.desmog.com/2025/07/22/trump-officials-discussed-500m-alberta-independence-loan-separatist-claims/ https://www.desmog.com/2025/07/22/trump-officials-discussed-... Honestly feels like we're asleep at the wheel as a country..
      - ChoGGi 10mo ago
        Yeah, our Premier is doing her best to be as lobbyist as she can, if it ain't American oil n gas she doesn't care. I'm stupid, so I still haven't figured out how both of these petitions were approved, other than she really wants a referendum on separation. https://www.thealbertan.com/innisfail-news/forever-canadian-petition-organizer-says-hes-working-on-referendum-plan-11668288 https://www.thealbertan.com/innisfail-news/forever-canadian-... https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2026/01/02/citizen-petition-on-alberta-separation-approved/ https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2026/01/02/citizen-petition-on...
    - conorcleary 10mo ago
      What do you think a sucker punch is?
- impossiblefork 10mo ago
  I'm not the one you're asking, but how do you mean? This scenario is that the EU and the US would be at war with one another, so each would of course use military means to deal with its deficiencies.
  - dataflow 10mo ago
    You can imagine anything from the US trying to steal any valuable materials or information related to lithography that it can, to actively destroying what it can't usefully steal, right? It's not like both sides would just sit there and declare foreign strategically-important companies off-limits.
    - impossiblefork 10mo ago
      Yes, of course. Both would presumably proceed in that way. Microchip factories etc. are very reasonable targets in a war.
- piva00 10mo ago
  This whole thread is about the case where the US goes to war with the EU (taking Greenland is war, no matter how the Trump admin tries to spin it).
  - dataflow 10mo ago
    That's exactly what I'm talking about too. Some combination of intelligence/military operations would almost certainly target companies like ASML during war, no? Why would you assume its assets would stay intact and remain on the Europe side?
SR2Z 10mo ago
Would ASML be able to produce these machines without parts from the US? My guess is no, because they represent the culmination of decades of research across the entire developed world.

by piva00 10mo ago

dataflow 10mo ago

Is there any reason to believe the US wouldn't use force to address this?

Zigurd 10mo ago
Yes. There's been no invasion of Canada, which is actively waging retaliatory economic war on the US.
- dataflow 10mo ago
  It seems naive to assume Canada isn't on Trump's shopping list given he has said the exact opposite in the past, though I'm also not sure I understand what you mean/what that had to do with my comment.
  - morkalork 10mo ago
    It's naive to think there isn't already a 5th column at work. This guy: https://provincialtimes.ca/questions-mount-over-jamil-jivanis-nationwide-restore-the-north-tour/ https://provincialtimes.ca/questions-mount-over-jamil-jivani... Is best buds with the VP: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-canada-jd-vance-jivani-friend-1235325977/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trum... Premiers are also being courted: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-danielle-smith-visits-mar-a-lago-1.7429358 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-danielle-smit... And there's some sketchy things going on in her province: https://www.desmog.com/2025/07/22/trump-officials-discussed-500m-alberta-independence-loan-separatist-claims/ https://www.desmog.com/2025/07/22/trump-officials-discussed-... Honestly feels like we're asleep at the wheel as a country..
    - ChoGGi 10mo ago
      Yeah, our Premier is doing her best to be as lobbyist as she can, if it ain't American oil n gas she doesn't care. I'm stupid, so I still haven't figured out how both of these petitions were approved, other than she really wants a referendum on separation. https://www.thealbertan.com/innisfail-news/forever-canadian-petition-organizer-says-hes-working-on-referendum-plan-11668288 https://www.thealbertan.com/innisfail-news/forever-canadian-... https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2026/01/02/citizen-petition-on-alberta-separation-approved/ https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2026/01/02/citizen-petition-on...
  - conorcleary 10mo ago
    What do you think a sucker punch is?
impossiblefork 10mo ago
I'm not the one you're asking, but how do you mean? This scenario is that the EU and the US would be at war with one another, so each would of course use military means to deal with its deficiencies.
- dataflow 10mo ago
  You can imagine anything from the US trying to steal any valuable materials or information related to lithography that it can, to actively destroying what it can't usefully steal, right? It's not like both sides would just sit there and declare foreign strategically-important companies off-limits.
  - impossiblefork 10mo ago
    Yes, of course. Both would presumably proceed in that way. Microchip factories etc. are very reasonable targets in a war.
piva00 10mo ago
This whole thread is about the case where the US goes to war with the EU (taking Greenland is war, no matter how the Trump admin tries to spin it).
- dataflow 10mo ago
  That's exactly what I'm talking about too. Some combination of intelligence/military operations would almost certainly target companies like ASML during war, no? Why would you assume its assets would stay intact and remain on the Europe side?

SR2Z 10mo ago

Would ASML be able to produce these machines without parts from the US? My guess is no, because they represent the culmination of decades of research across the entire developed world.