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it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. it will be pushed forward by law enforcement ("think of the children!") and it will b

by exe34 10mo ago

it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. it will be pushed forward by law enforcement ("think of the children!") and it will be great for profits. not so much for privacy.

gray_-_wolf 10mo ago
Out of curiosity, what stops you from taking a photo of a AI generated picture?
- eru 10mo ago
  Well, you could make your verified camera do a 3d scan. Then at lest you'd need AI to 3d print a scene or something.
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  - embedding-shape 10mo ago
    How do you securely read this "3D scan" sensor data, being 100% it hasn't been tampered with?
    - exe34 10mo ago
      you can tie the sensor to a chip that signs the data as it goes out.
    - eru 10mo ago
      Use whatever technology you used to make the 2d camera tamperproof.
- nojs 10mo ago
  The same thing that stops your phone’s Face ID working with a photo of a face, I suppose
embedding-shape 10mo ago
Yet it doesn't actually solve the problem. Whatever technical implementation you can think of, can somehow be misused so you have AI pictures labeled as "Genuinely not AI". If you do come up with a 100% fool-proof implementation of this, you'll be able to get a lot of money for it, so do give it a try! Many have tried before you, yet it always turns out to be short of impossible. But who knows, maybe there is a way...
- exe34 10mo ago
  I didn't say it would work - I said it would be made mandatory and will be used against us.
  - embedding-shape 10mo ago
    Right, I guess I was still with the original topic/subject: > We absolutely need certified no-AI digital proofs.
gruez 10mo ago
>it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. You can mitigate this by having a pool of devices (eg. 1000) share keys. AFAIK TPM chips and U2F/FIDO keys do this to provide some anonymity while limiting the blast radius if a key does get leaked.
- exe34 10mo ago
  Well that's no good for big brother, is it.

by exe34 10mo ago

gray_-_wolf 10mo ago

Out of curiosity, what stops you from taking a photo of a AI generated picture?

eru 10mo ago
Well, you could make your verified camera do a 3d scan. Then at lest you'd need AI to 3d print a scene or something.
- deleted 10mo ago
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- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  How do you securely read this "3D scan" sensor data, being 100% it hasn't been tampered with?
  - exe34 10mo ago
    you can tie the sensor to a chip that signs the data as it goes out.
  - eru 10mo ago
    Use whatever technology you used to make the 2d camera tamperproof.
nojs 10mo ago
The same thing that stops your phone’s Face ID working with a photo of a face, I suppose

embedding-shape 10mo ago

Yet it doesn't actually solve the problem. Whatever technical implementation you can think of, can somehow be misused so you have AI pictures labeled as "Genuinely not AI". If you do come up with a 100% fool-proof implementation of this, you'll be able to get a lot of money for it, so do give it a try! Many have tried before you, yet it always turns out to be short of impossible. But who knows, maybe there is a way...

exe34 10mo ago
I didn't say it would work - I said it would be made mandatory and will be used against us.
- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  Right, I guess I was still with the original topic/subject: > We absolutely need certified no-AI digital proofs.

gruez 10mo ago

>it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. You can mitigate this by having a pool of devices (eg. 1000) share keys. AFAIK TPM chips and U2F/FIDO keys do this to provide some anonymity while limiting the blast radius if a key does get leaked.

exe34 10mo ago
Well that's no good for big brother, is it.