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> In German it really just means "Citizen". It most definitely does not — it’s both “citoyen” and “bourgeois”.
by rubberpoliceman 9mo ago
> In German it really just means "Citizen".
It most definitely does not — it’s both “citoyen” and “bourgeois”.
- auggierose 9mo agoThomas Mann was German, so he most definitely was not a "burgher", he was just a "Bürger". And the German "Bürger" is just "citizen" in English.
- rubberpoliceman 9mo agoThis isn’t hard to understand. “Burgher” is a perfectly legitimate translation of “Bürger” as in “bürgerlicher Mittagstisch”, “Der Bürger duldet nichts Unverständliches im Haus”. “Citizen” is a perfectly legitimate translation of “Bürger” when it comes to “Bürgeramt” or “Weltbürger”.
- auggierose 9mo agoWell, Bürger means citizen, and bürgerlich means middle-class. Indeed, not hard to understand.
- rubberpoliceman 9mo agoExcellent. Now do “bürgerliches Gesetzbuch”.
- eru 9mo agoThe trolling of auggierose aside, whatever the bürgerliches Gesetzbuch might literally translate to, it is a triumph of the burghers, the bourgeoisie.
- auggierose 9mo agoLaw that applies only to the middle-class. Duh.
- eru 9mo agoPlease tell me you are trolling? https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/B%C3%BCrger https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/B%C3%BCrger says: Bedeutungen: [1a] Einwohner einer Gemeinde [1b] Angehöriger eines Staates [2] Angehöriger der Mittelschicht, des Bürgertums
- ffuxlpff 9mo agoIt meant an upper middle class urban citizen, while "Kleinbürger" was their lower middle class counterpart. Buddenbrooks was all about Bürgers, their history and lifestyle. Mann was a member of that class or even of its upper crust, the patricians.
- eru 9mo agoDid you know that some words have multiple meanings? See eg https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fb%C3%BCrger https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fb%C3%BCrger or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Burgher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Burgher or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinb%C3%BCrger https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinb%C3%BCrger