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> an upstanding burgher obsessed with death and corruption I assume "burgher" is a misspelling of German "Bürger"? There are "Burgher people" but Thomas Mann d

> an upstanding burgher obsessed with death and corruption I assume "burgher" is a misspelling of German "Bürger"? There are "Burgher people" but Thomas Mann doesn't seem to be one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher_people

cyberlimerence 9mo ago
It's correct in English. [1] The family of Thomas Mann were representatives of German bourgeoisie. From [2] (machine translated): "Thomas Mann and Heinrich Mann, as well as members of the following generation, became writers; in their numerous, often autobiographically influenced literary works, they explored themes such as the history of the German bourgeoisie and educated middle class, as well as its decadence. Through this, the family itself came to be seen by the public as a symbol and late representative of that very social stratum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher_(social_class) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher_(social_class) [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_(Familie) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_(Familie) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildungsb%C3%BCrgertum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildungsb%C3%BCrgertum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCrgertum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCrgertum
auggierose 9mo ago
In German it is called "Bürger", yes. Burgher is some weird English spelling of the original french one, and I don't think it applies in any reasonable way to Thomas Mann. In German it really just means "Citizen".
- rubberpoliceman 9mo ago
  > In German it really just means "Citizen". It most definitely does not — it’s both “citoyen” and “bourgeois”.
  - auggierose 9mo ago
    Thomas Mann was German, so he most definitely was not a "burgher", he was just a "Bürger". And the German "Bürger" is just "citizen" in English.
    - rubberpoliceman 9mo ago
      This isn’t hard to understand. “Burgher” is a perfectly legitimate translation of “Bürger” as in “bürgerlicher Mittagstisch”, “Der Bürger duldet nichts Unverständliches im Haus”. “Citizen” is a perfectly legitimate translation of “Bürger” when it comes to “Bürgeramt” or “Weltbürger”.
      - auggierose 9mo ago
        Well, Bürger means citizen, and bürgerlich means middle-class. Indeed, not hard to understand.
        rubberpoliceman 9mo ago
        Excellent. Now do “bürgerliches Gesetzbuch”.
        eru 9mo ago
        The trolling of auggierose aside, whatever the bürgerliches Gesetzbuch might literally translate to, it is a triumph of the burghers, the bourgeoisie.
        auggierose 9mo ago
        Law that applies only to the middle-class. Duh.
        lukan 9mo ago
        But you do know it applies to everyone in germany?
Archelaos 9mo ago
From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: burgher noun ... 1: an inhabitant of a borough or a town 2: a member of the middle class : a prosperous solid citizen Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burgher https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burgher
nephihaha 9mo ago
"Burgher" certainly meant that in traditional Scots usage.

cyberlimerence 9mo ago

It's correct in English. [1] The family of Thomas Mann were representatives of German bourgeoisie. From [2] (machine translated): "Thomas Mann and Heinrich Mann, as well as members of the following generation, became writers; in their numerous, often autobiographically influenced literary works, they explored themes such as the history of the German bourgeoisie and educated middle class, as well as its decadence. Through this, the family itself came to be seen by the public as a symbol and late representative of that very social stratum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher_(social_class) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher_(social_class) [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_(Familie) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_(Familie) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildungsb%C3%BCrgertum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildungsb%C3%BCrgertum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCrgertum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCrgertum

auggierose 9mo ago

In German it is called "Bürger", yes. Burgher is some weird English spelling of the original french one, and I don't think it applies in any reasonable way to Thomas Mann. In German it really just means "Citizen".

rubberpoliceman 9mo ago
> In German it really just means "Citizen". It most definitely does not — it’s both “citoyen” and “bourgeois”.
- auggierose 9mo ago
  Thomas Mann was German, so he most definitely was not a "burgher", he was just a "Bürger". And the German "Bürger" is just "citizen" in English.
  - rubberpoliceman 9mo ago
    This isn’t hard to understand. “Burgher” is a perfectly legitimate translation of “Bürger” as in “bürgerlicher Mittagstisch”, “Der Bürger duldet nichts Unverständliches im Haus”. “Citizen” is a perfectly legitimate translation of “Bürger” when it comes to “Bürgeramt” or “Weltbürger”.
    - auggierose 9mo ago
      Well, Bürger means citizen, and bürgerlich means middle-class. Indeed, not hard to understand.
      - rubberpoliceman 9mo ago
        Excellent. Now do “bürgerliches Gesetzbuch”.
        eru 9mo ago
        The trolling of auggierose aside, whatever the bürgerliches Gesetzbuch might literally translate to, it is a triumph of the burghers, the bourgeoisie.
        auggierose 9mo ago
        Law that applies only to the middle-class. Duh.
        lukan 9mo ago
        But you do know it applies to everyone in germany?

Archelaos 9mo ago

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: burgher noun ... 1: an inhabitant of a borough or a town 2: a member of the middle class : a prosperous solid citizen Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burgher https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burgher

nephihaha 9mo ago

"Burgher" certainly meant that in traditional Scots usage.