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What international law is being broken here? And why does that law take precedence over the laws of Venezuela and USA?

aebtebeten 9mo ago
In principle, our diplomats have mentioned "respecting the prohibition on the use of force enshrined in international law and the territorial integrity of sovereign states" using those words as search terms yields: https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2/english/rep_supp7_vol1_art2_4.pdf https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2/english/rep_supp7_vol1_a... https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2.shtml https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2.shtml In practice, command responsibility is generally upheld against losing commanders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders but an effective way to avoid being tried, at least in the short term, is to be a winning commander: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/06-02-02-0072-0007#:~:text=He%20that%20draws,away%20the%20scabbard https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/06-02-02-0072-... (Alexander the Great, on his deathbed, was asked who would inherit his empire; whether because he was an early "realist" or because he was apathetic or simply narcissistic [or?], he replied: the strongest)
- aebtebeten 9mo ago
  Apart from command responsibility, every combatant has a duty to disobey a manifestly unlawful order; note the restrictive adjective "lawful" in both https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2024-title10/html/USCODE-2024-title10-subtitleA-partII-chap47-subchapX-sec890.htm https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2024-title10/html... and https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2024-title10/html/USCODE-2024-title10-subtitleA-partII-chap47-subchapX-sec892.htm https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2024-title10/html... Furthermore, even before the purely legal aspects of UCMJ, there's the plain common sense of Adm. Holsley (Ret.): https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/4359115/lt-gen-pettus-assumes-command-of-southcom-adm-holsey-retires/#:~:text=To%20be%20a,must%20be%20credible https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/4359115... > "To be a trusted partner, [SOUTHCOM] must be credible..."
rixed 9mo ago
When I said this discussion about international law was not worth taking place on HN, I actually meant it, sorry.

In principle, our diplomats have mentioned "respecting the prohibition on the use of force enshrined in international law and the territorial integrity of sovereign states" using those words as search terms yields: https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2/english/rep_supp7_vol1_art2_4.pdf https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2/english/rep_supp7_vol1_a... https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2.shtml https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2.shtml In practice, command responsibility is generally upheld against losing commanders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders but an effective way to avoid being tried, at least in the short term, is to be a winning commander: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/06-02-02-0072-0007#:~:text=He%20that%20draws,away%20the%20scabbard https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/06-02-02-0072-... (Alexander the Great, on his deathbed, was asked who would inherit his empire; whether because he was an early "realist" or because he was apathetic or simply narcissistic [or?], he replied: the strongest)

aebtebeten 9mo ago
Apart from command responsibility, every combatant has a duty to disobey a manifestly unlawful order; note the restrictive adjective "lawful" in both https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2024-title10/html/USCODE-2024-title10-subtitleA-partII-chap47-subchapX-sec890.htm https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2024-title10/html... and https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2024-title10/html/USCODE-2024-title10-subtitleA-partII-chap47-subchapX-sec892.htm https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2024-title10/html... Furthermore, even before the purely legal aspects of UCMJ, there's the plain common sense of Adm. Holsley (Ret.): https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/4359115/lt-gen-pettus-assumes-command-of-southcom-adm-holsey-retires/#:~:text=To%20be%20a,must%20be%20credible https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/4359115... > "To be a trusted partner, [SOUTHCOM] must be credible..."

rixed 9mo ago

When I said this discussion about international law was not worth taking place on HN, I actually meant it, sorry.