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Agreed. I personally stopped contributing to StackOverflow before LLMs, because of the toxic moderation. Now with LLMs, I can't remember the last time I visite
by palata 10mo ago
Agreed. I personally stopped contributing to StackOverflow before LLMs, because of the toxic moderation.
Now with LLMs, I can't remember the last time I visited StackOverflow.
- eurekin 10mo agoSame here. I just didn't want to expend energy racing trigger happy mods. It was so odd, to this day remember vividly how they cleanup their arguments once proven wrong on the closing vote. Literally minutes before it would the close threshold.
- lysace 10mo agoGen 0: expertsexchange.com, later experts-exchange.com (1996) Gen 1: stackoverflow.com (2008) Gen 2: chatgpt.com (2022, sort of)
- econ 10mo agoYahoo answers Google answers And the horrific Quora
- lysace 10mo agoNone of those worked as programming tools. I really miss Google Answers though, with the bounties. Random example: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/762357.html http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/762357.html It's remarkable how similar in style the answers are to what we all know from e.g. chatgpt.
- dotancohen 10mo agoIt's remarkable only in the sense that you can see where the LLMs were trained from.
- pvab3 10mo agoThat would be such a useful service today
- NewsaHackO 10mo ago>Gen 0: expertsexchange.com No way.
- lysace 10mo agoIt was a more innocent time. Proof: https://web.archive.org/web/19990429180417/http://www.expertsexchange.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/19990429180417/http://www.expert...
- Alupis 10mo agoPeople in this thread are missing another key component in the decline of StackOverflow - the more experienced you become, the less useful it is. The harder the problem, the less engagement it gets. People who spend hours working on your issue are rewarded with a single upvote. Meanwhile, "how do I concat a string" gets dozens or hundreds of upvotes. The incentive/reward structure punished experienced folks with challenging/novel questions. Pair that with the toxic moderation and trigger-happy close-votes, you get a zombie community with little new useful content.
- encom 10mo ago>toxic moderation and trigger-happy close-votes >zombie community Like Reddit post 2015.
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- fabian2k 10mo agoStack Overflow moderation is very transparent compared to whatever Reddit considers moderation. For programming my main problem with Reddit is that the quality of posts is very low compared to SO. It's not quite comparable because the more subjective questions are not allowed on SO, but there's a lot of advice on Reddit that I would consider harmful (often in the direction of adding many more libraries than most people should).
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- bmacho 10mo ago> People in this thread are missing another key component in the decline of StackOverflow - the more experienced you become, the less useful it is. This is literally not true. The rate you learn and encounter new things depends on many things: you, your mood, your energy etc. But not on the amount of your experience. > The harder the problem, the less engagement it gets. People who spend hours working on your issue are rewarded with a single upvote. This is true, but not relevant, I don't think many people care. Some might, but not many.
- baby 10mo agoThe same is true for reddit imo, it became impossible to post anything to a subreddit way before LLMs
- why-o-why 10mo agoAnd you can't delete your post when you realize how awful it was years later! That anti-information sticks around for ages. Even worse when there are bad answers attached to it, too.
- Ajedi32 10mo agoIf you're talking about deleting questions, that's because deleting the question would delete everyone's answers that they potentially worked very hard on and which others might find useful. If you think the answers are bad you can always post your own competing answer.
- conorcleary 10mo ago"A Human commented at ##:##pm" "An AI Bot commented at..." "A suspected AI Bot commented at..." "An unconfirmed Human commented at..."
- why-o-why 10mo agoya but you assume someone worked hard on the answer. there are alot of times when you get garbage top to bottom.
- what 10mo agoYou can’t delete anything here either… so make sure you don’t say anything awful.
- why-o-why 10mo agocreate a new account every few weeks and don't forget to mix you you'er writin' style to fakeout stylometrics. its all against the rules but i disagree with HN terms. internet points don't mean crapola to me. but i like dropping in here every now and then to chit caht. i should have the right to be anonymous and non-deidentifiable here and speak freely. of IP address ---are--- tracked here and you can easily be shadowbanned. but i don't say anything awful, but i am naturally an asshat and i just can't seem to change my spots. 90% of the time i'm ok, but 10% i'm just a raving tool.
- xp84 10mo agoThe dumbest part of SO is how the accepted answer would often be bad, and sometimes someone had posted a better answer after the fact, and if the all-powerful moderators had the power to update it, they sure never did. Likewise, there were often better insights in comments. Apparently if you have the right mod powers, you can just edit an answer (such as the accepted one) to make it correct, but that always struck me as a bizarre feature, to put words in other people’s mouths. I think overall SO took the gamification, and the “internet points” idea, way too far. As a professional, I don’t care about Reddit Karma or the SO score or my HN karma. I just wanted answers that are correct, and a place to discuss anything that’s actually interesting. I did value SO once as part of the tedious process of attempting to get some technical problem solved, as it was the best option we had, but I definitely haven’t been there since 2023. RIP.
- halapro 10mo ago> took gamification way too far I disagree, I always thought it SO did a great job with it. The only part I would have done differently would be to cap the earnable points per answer. @rndusr124 shouldn't have moderation powers just because his one and only 2009 answer got 3589 upvotes.