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Right now I am sure there are millions of posts about whatever happened in Venezeula last night. None of these people have any actual information, it doesn't

Right now I am sure there are millions of posts about whatever happened in Venezeula last night. None of these people have any actual information, it doesn't have any value as "news" -- I'll get more out of reading about it in The Economist next week if not other papers. Sure it is a signification that other people are angry and I can't blame them for being angry but if I get angry it doesn't accomplish anything. It's like you're in an airplane at 40k feet that just sprung a leak and you need to put the oxygen mask on yourself before you can take care of the people around you. I'm going to argue that those feelings of anger are self-destructive and don't lead to effective activism or positive change in the world. Emotions are contagious People can post all the politics they like and some of it is going to get in my feed but there are a lot of people who post 20 angry things about Trump a day and nothing good is going to come out of following people like that. I am interested in activism on the issues of: (1) Gen Z's social disconnectedness, (2) an "othering" style of activism on the left that helps the right win, (3) subverting the "trauma theory" that encourages people to build identities around marginalization (e.g. "diss abled" people), (4) recognition of the common (5-10%) condition of schizotypy which is now misdiagnosed as ADHD, autism and other fashionable conditions, and (5) getting our economy and technology aligned with our environment. Getting mad doesn't help with any of these.

cindyllm 11mo ago
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gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
Fwiw you come across as angry (tho not mean) in this stack. I am aligned with you on each and every enum. but maybe I'm too exotic (+ not in the thick of it)
- PaulHoule 11mo ago
  (1) It's hard not to think about angry people for me and not get angry because I am involved in humanity and emotions are contagious. It's why I have to limit my exposure to angry people. (2) I've had phases of my life where activism has been 30-100% of my activity so I've had a lot of experience talking to people door to door, tabling, giving speeches, convincing people to run for public office, going to meetings of different groups to build bridges, etc. (... with that emotional sensitivity!) I've given many talks where the crowd was excited and other times been showed the door early and got harsh corrections. I know how people respond to messages when I deliver them and when others deliver them. For that matter I work in the social sciences department with survey data and I'm well read in political science even if I have to defer to the experts at work about it. So I know if you're going to talk about "white privilege" you might as well mortgage all your future earnings and give them straight to the Ku Klux Klan. I'm deeply offended when "woke" people act as if teaching elementary school students the difference between "equity" and "equality" is going to do anything about a difficult problem such as racism. And I think strident transgenderism has made expressing your gender in any unconventional way more and not less dangerous in the last 20 years. I'm angry about left-wing slacktivism precisely because I care about the things that they say they care for.
  - gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
    Fair points-- I have to reflect. I'm just as terrified of going around in circles as you are -- I'm guessing that's where some of the anger comes from-- but I've no relevant expertise/experience to stay grounded. >I am involved in humanity This may or may not help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sum,_humani_nihil_a_me_alienum_puto#:~:text=pronounced%20by%20the%20character%20Cremes%20to%20justify%20his%20meddling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sum,_humani_nihil_a_me_al... (It's taken very seriously now, was Marx's personal maxim, but it started off as a joke)
  - gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
    Also-- >racism Prioritisation is hard. Easier to solve tech-> economics-> racism (in that order, but smh folks mix it up, because racism feels __DEAREST[0]__ -- thanks but no thanks globalsocial media-- and the others not so much?) [0]So different than opiate in action yet so similar in effect Ps: if aeb is listening-- Buxton!!
    - PaulHoule 11mo ago
      I lifted that line from this poem! https://www.yourdailypoem.com/listpoem.jsp?poem_id=2118 https://www.yourdailypoem.com/listpoem.jsp?poem_id=2118
  - aebtebeten 10mo ago
    sounds to me like most of these problems stem from having only two parties?
johnnyanmac 10mo ago
>I'm going to argue that those feelings of anger are self-destructive and don't lead to effective activism or positive change in the world. I challenge you to find one societal feat in history that was achieved without any violence nor abuse whatsoever. You're arguing for an ideal humanity hasn't achieved yet,and may never achieve at this rate.
- PaulHoule 10mo ago
  And you know I hate fascists but boy they have great footwear.

cindyllm 11mo ago

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gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago

Fwiw you come across as angry (tho not mean) in this stack. I am aligned with you on each and every enum. but maybe I'm too exotic (+ not in the thick of it)

PaulHoule 11mo ago
(1) It's hard not to think about angry people for me and not get angry because I am involved in humanity and emotions are contagious. It's why I have to limit my exposure to angry people. (2) I've had phases of my life where activism has been 30-100% of my activity so I've had a lot of experience talking to people door to door, tabling, giving speeches, convincing people to run for public office, going to meetings of different groups to build bridges, etc. (... with that emotional sensitivity!) I've given many talks where the crowd was excited and other times been showed the door early and got harsh corrections. I know how people respond to messages when I deliver them and when others deliver them. For that matter I work in the social sciences department with survey data and I'm well read in political science even if I have to defer to the experts at work about it. So I know if you're going to talk about "white privilege" you might as well mortgage all your future earnings and give them straight to the Ku Klux Klan. I'm deeply offended when "woke" people act as if teaching elementary school students the difference between "equity" and "equality" is going to do anything about a difficult problem such as racism. And I think strident transgenderism has made expressing your gender in any unconventional way more and not less dangerous in the last 20 years. I'm angry about left-wing slacktivism precisely because I care about the things that they say they care for.
- gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
  Fair points-- I have to reflect. I'm just as terrified of going around in circles as you are -- I'm guessing that's where some of the anger comes from-- but I've no relevant expertise/experience to stay grounded. >I am involved in humanity This may or may not help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sum,_humani_nihil_a_me_alienum_puto#:~:text=pronounced%20by%20the%20character%20Cremes%20to%20justify%20his%20meddling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sum,_humani_nihil_a_me_al... (It's taken very seriously now, was Marx's personal maxim, but it started off as a joke)
- gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
  Also-- >racism Prioritisation is hard. Easier to solve tech-> economics-> racism (in that order, but smh folks mix it up, because racism feels __DEAREST[0]__ -- thanks but no thanks globalsocial media-- and the others not so much?) [0]So different than opiate in action yet so similar in effect Ps: if aeb is listening-- Buxton!!
  - PaulHoule 11mo ago
    I lifted that line from this poem! https://www.yourdailypoem.com/listpoem.jsp?poem_id=2118 https://www.yourdailypoem.com/listpoem.jsp?poem_id=2118
- aebtebeten 10mo ago
  sounds to me like most of these problems stem from having only two parties?

johnnyanmac 10mo ago

>I'm going to argue that those feelings of anger are self-destructive and don't lead to effective activism or positive change in the world. I challenge you to find one societal feat in history that was achieved without any violence nor abuse whatsoever. You're arguing for an ideal humanity hasn't achieved yet,and may never achieve at this rate.

PaulHoule 10mo ago
And you know I hate fascists but boy they have great footwear.