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They don't have jurisdiction over another country that's not how this works

carlosjobim 10mo ago
Reality is reality. There is only one reality and the man is on the ship. No matter what you think. Reality is "how this works".
- el_jay 10mo ago
  Indeed, why bother having states of law at all? Jungle law works well enough in reality.
  - carlosjobim 10mo ago
    You believe in something which has never existed and will never exist. In international relations, there has never been anything besides "might is right". Anything else is an illusion. At most something that leaders pay lip service to, when it aligns with their own goals. The law of the jungle is reality. World War II was won by terror bombing civilians. It is lamentable, but reality is reality. So to say "that's not how it works" is denying reality.
    - el_jay 10mo ago
      “Never”? Not once in the Story of Us has any dispute between large groups of humans been resolved by anything other than a superior application of brute force? Strong claim, but I’ll run with it. And you appear to believe this is a pretext for humans to ignore their own laws and commit atrocities, when they could choose otherwise. It may be reality that jungle law is currently how humans almost always handle conflict at nation-state scale. Non sequitur that it should remain so.
      - BobbyJo 10mo ago
        No one is claiming that humans should be at war with, or rely on violence to assert authority over, one another.
- 1718627440 10mo ago
  Just because something is happening doesn't mean it's according to the law or even morally justified. We are discussing whether it is lawful, not whether it actually happened or whether they are capable of doing it with or without consequences.
BobbyJo 10mo ago
I would love to live in a world where every government was democratically elected by an informed populace and never tried to assert authority outside it's borders. > not how this works When you say this, what exactly are you referring to?

Reality is reality. There is only one reality and the man is on the ship. No matter what you think. Reality is "how this works".

el_jay 10mo ago
Indeed, why bother having states of law at all? Jungle law works well enough in reality.
- carlosjobim 10mo ago
  You believe in something which has never existed and will never exist. In international relations, there has never been anything besides "might is right". Anything else is an illusion. At most something that leaders pay lip service to, when it aligns with their own goals. The law of the jungle is reality. World War II was won by terror bombing civilians. It is lamentable, but reality is reality. So to say "that's not how it works" is denying reality.
  - el_jay 10mo ago
    “Never”? Not once in the Story of Us has any dispute between large groups of humans been resolved by anything other than a superior application of brute force? Strong claim, but I’ll run with it. And you appear to believe this is a pretext for humans to ignore their own laws and commit atrocities, when they could choose otherwise. It may be reality that jungle law is currently how humans almost always handle conflict at nation-state scale. Non sequitur that it should remain so.
    - BobbyJo 10mo ago
      No one is claiming that humans should be at war with, or rely on violence to assert authority over, one another.
1718627440 10mo ago
Just because something is happening doesn't mean it's according to the law or even morally justified. We are discussing whether it is lawful, not whether it actually happened or whether they are capable of doing it with or without consequences.

BobbyJo 10mo ago

I would love to live in a world where every government was democratically elected by an informed populace and never tried to assert authority outside it's borders. > not how this works When you say this, what exactly are you referring to?