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Forget Venezuela, this is a major problem for America. Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth lied to Congress a couple weeks ago when they explicitly said that this is n

Forget Venezuela, this is a major problem for America. Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth lied to Congress a couple weeks ago when they explicitly said that this is not about regime change. Entering an illegal war, committing acts of international piracy, and pledging to take over another country’s resources is completely illegal and a violation of American laws as well as international laws. And right now, the entire right wing is cheering on this situation. These are people who wanted an isolationist America that does not start new conflicts. Spineless Republican senators and legislators are staying quiet as they allow this horrific dictatorial action to go on without any criticism. And meanwhile, tech billionaires like Elon Musk are continuously tweeting sycophantic support for this illegal act of state terrorism. How will America recover? Its political system is broken. And its international reputation is shattered.

dragonwriter 10mo ago
> And right now, the entire right wing is cheering on this situation. These are people who wanted an isolationist America that does not start new conflicts. Well, they said they wanted that. But maybe Trump wasn’t lying to them as much as lying alongside them.
jacquesm 10mo ago
You should read how the international press received this. They're openly wondering if Trump has gone insane.
- SilverElfin 10mo ago
  I’m wondering if the entire right wing has gone insane. Watching Elon Musk tweet a bunch of racist stuff for several days, followed by weird pro white ethnicity posts, followed by several fawning posts about how this attack was a good thing, is pretty shocking. But also the open hypocrisy of all of these everyday people in social media who have been saying they have not voted for more wars, now turn around completely and say that this war is OK is pretty shocking. And all of the other Republican politicians are either silent or basically claiming that the president has the full authority to do whatever he wants, is also pretty shocking. I’m sure it is easy to say that this is what everyone should have expected, but I feel like the conduct has gone well past what people expected. The scary thing is I don’t think it will be easy to do something about this. Half the country thinks everything that is happening is completely justified and completely legal. And in practice that means it is effectively legal. So are there any remaining checks and balances that are functioning?
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    There is still tomorrow. What Trump has shown me is that the crap just never ends, one thing after another. Some guy in this thread is happy about 'vigorous foreign policy'. You really can't make it up. I don't think there are any checks and balances that are still functioning other than the ones that have served us well to get rid of evil people since thousands of years ago and sooner or later these assholes will be gone. But they will always be replaced by new assholes with the same ambition: to own and rule over a disproportional share of the world.
    - nebula8804 10mo ago
      When this happened during the Bush years I saw a lot of the a same behavior. All these people shut right up when the economy crashed, they went and hid in their caves for a year or so until they pivoted towards hating the Black guy (Obama). The reason being they finally felt a bit of the pain. When the inevitable crash comes from this era, they will all go back into hiding for a while. Unfortunately this behavior has been a part of a portion of the country for a long time and we will be dealing with these people for the rest of our lives. EU, Canada and the rest talk a big talk about making moves to disconnect from the US. It would be nice to have independent democracies that can take up the mantle if things here need time to correct themselves.
      - SilverElfin 10mo ago
        This next time it feels like those same people will hate more than just the Black guy. Many seem to be supremacists who hate all other races and want them deported as a whole - not just the president. The world’s richest person is posting bizarre and disturbing pro white memes daily. And many young GenZ males who follow certain voices on the right seem intent on keeping the flame of racism alive. I agree it will last our whole lives.
        nebula8804 10mo ago
        Its a losing battle. I guess people don't really know this but Gen Alpha, who are the kids of millennials born 2013-2025 are the first non White majority generation. Its already over and they are just trying to prolong the inevitable for a few more years while the oldest die off. I don't know how Gen-Z males will fare long term but at this point all available evidence that I've seen shows they are really done with supporting Trump. Will that reflect in long term shift to Dems? Well Bernie type candidates have always done well with Gen Z but what happens if they play games again. I think a major crash that appears to be coming will correct Gen-Z males for a while.
- almosthere 10mo ago
  Welcome to the exact same feeling we had of Biden and his entire admin. Pop your bubble I voted for Biden.
  - WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
    [unrelated to this thread] You and I had a different discussion in an earlier thread -> here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46393900#46428166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46393900#46428166 I posted something there about good faith journalism, if you're still interested.
    - almosthere 10mo ago
      I know, I don't disagree with your ideas on good faith journalism, I just have so little time right now. I am more or less waiting out what happens with the MN fraud investigations. I think it has blown up to such a huge amount that Walz is not running now. All I can say is that a 23 year old kid was able to make that video and a few weeks ago everyone blew a nut because Bari Weiss dropped a 60 minutes investigation on CECOT (A Boring Ass Dead Story). 60 Minutes in 1990 would have DREAMED of breaking the MN scandal story. I remember them breaking a story like Gasoline pump fraud in the 90s and it didn't do any research other than recording gallons pumped into Gallon Water jugs - but they still posed it as fraud.

dragonwriter 10mo ago

> And right now, the entire right wing is cheering on this situation. These are people who wanted an isolationist America that does not start new conflicts. Well, they said they wanted that. But maybe Trump wasn’t lying to them as much as lying alongside them.

jacquesm 10mo ago

You should read how the international press received this. They're openly wondering if Trump has gone insane.

SilverElfin 10mo ago
I’m wondering if the entire right wing has gone insane. Watching Elon Musk tweet a bunch of racist stuff for several days, followed by weird pro white ethnicity posts, followed by several fawning posts about how this attack was a good thing, is pretty shocking. But also the open hypocrisy of all of these everyday people in social media who have been saying they have not voted for more wars, now turn around completely and say that this war is OK is pretty shocking. And all of the other Republican politicians are either silent or basically claiming that the president has the full authority to do whatever he wants, is also pretty shocking. I’m sure it is easy to say that this is what everyone should have expected, but I feel like the conduct has gone well past what people expected. The scary thing is I don’t think it will be easy to do something about this. Half the country thinks everything that is happening is completely justified and completely legal. And in practice that means it is effectively legal. So are there any remaining checks and balances that are functioning?
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  There is still tomorrow. What Trump has shown me is that the crap just never ends, one thing after another. Some guy in this thread is happy about 'vigorous foreign policy'. You really can't make it up. I don't think there are any checks and balances that are still functioning other than the ones that have served us well to get rid of evil people since thousands of years ago and sooner or later these assholes will be gone. But they will always be replaced by new assholes with the same ambition: to own and rule over a disproportional share of the world.
  - nebula8804 10mo ago
    When this happened during the Bush years I saw a lot of the a same behavior. All these people shut right up when the economy crashed, they went and hid in their caves for a year or so until they pivoted towards hating the Black guy (Obama). The reason being they finally felt a bit of the pain. When the inevitable crash comes from this era, they will all go back into hiding for a while. Unfortunately this behavior has been a part of a portion of the country for a long time and we will be dealing with these people for the rest of our lives. EU, Canada and the rest talk a big talk about making moves to disconnect from the US. It would be nice to have independent democracies that can take up the mantle if things here need time to correct themselves.
    - SilverElfin 10mo ago
      This next time it feels like those same people will hate more than just the Black guy. Many seem to be supremacists who hate all other races and want them deported as a whole - not just the president. The world’s richest person is posting bizarre and disturbing pro white memes daily. And many young GenZ males who follow certain voices on the right seem intent on keeping the flame of racism alive. I agree it will last our whole lives.
      - nebula8804 10mo ago
        Its a losing battle. I guess people don't really know this but Gen Alpha, who are the kids of millennials born 2013-2025 are the first non White majority generation. Its already over and they are just trying to prolong the inevitable for a few more years while the oldest die off. I don't know how Gen-Z males will fare long term but at this point all available evidence that I've seen shows they are really done with supporting Trump. Will that reflect in long term shift to Dems? Well Bernie type candidates have always done well with Gen Z but what happens if they play games again. I think a major crash that appears to be coming will correct Gen-Z males for a while.
almosthere 10mo ago
Welcome to the exact same feeling we had of Biden and his entire admin. Pop your bubble I voted for Biden.
- WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago
  [unrelated to this thread] You and I had a different discussion in an earlier thread -> here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46393900#46428166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46393900#46428166 I posted something there about good faith journalism, if you're still interested.
  - almosthere 10mo ago
    I know, I don't disagree with your ideas on good faith journalism, I just have so little time right now. I am more or less waiting out what happens with the MN fraud investigations. I think it has blown up to such a huge amount that Walz is not running now. All I can say is that a 23 year old kid was able to make that video and a few weeks ago everyone blew a nut because Bari Weiss dropped a 60 minutes investigation on CECOT (A Boring Ass Dead Story). 60 Minutes in 1990 would have DREAMED of breaking the MN scandal story. I remember them breaking a story like Gasoline pump fraud in the 90s and it didn't do any research other than recording gallons pumped into Gallon Water jugs - but they still posed it as fraud.