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I wonder how many Cardiologists would call cardiovascular disease “a solved problem” My bet is close to none

by sghiassy 10mo ago

agumonkey 10mo ago
following a few cardiology conference i tend to agree with you, far from this sadly
noitpmeder 10mo ago
I mean their livelihood is predicated on it not being solved for a portion of the population
- medstrom 10mo ago
  There is plenty more for a cardiologist to do even if they solve the most pressing current problems. Hard to run out of puzzles in biology.
bilsbie 10mo ago
Ask yourself what happens to them if it’s solved.
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WillAdams 10mo ago
Ages ago, I used to do the typesetting for the _Cardiosource Review Journal_ (lived my life around the publishing schedule because no one else was able to run a WordBASIC macro to do initial formatting, import that into a page layout program, process all the graphics and place them, and generate page proofs early enough that it could be proofed and corrected with a 24hr. turn-around until a postal rate increase killed it) --- cardiologists seem very big on data/analysis, moreso than most other medical fields.
Aurornis 10mo ago
“Solved problem” is too strong of language, but the cardiologists I follow are generally open about the idea that we have enough tools and knowledges to reasonably prevent and manage it the average person. Even without medications, we’ve had enough knowledge about diet and lifestyle factors that the average person (excluding generic abnormalities that lead to abnormally high risk) could reasonably avoid heart disease through lifestyle and diet alone. That’s easier said than done for a lot of people in the modern world, so it’s good that we have a few different medications on top of that knowledge.
- dubeye 10mo ago
  the cardiologist I pay, visit and follow, would likely advise perfect diet and excercise will only reduce risk not eliminate it. So it comes down to definition of 'resaonably'. diet and excercise will 'reasonably' reduce risk of most disease.
  - Aurornis 10mo ago
    > will only reduce risk not eliminate it. Same with medications? It’s well known that medications don’t eliminate risk. For the average person without genetic outlier risk, perfect diet and exercise would definitely make heart disease a non-issue in their lifetime. The risk your cardiologist is talking about is probably the risk that you have one of those genetic outlier conditions that require medication regardless of diet.
brandonb 10mo ago
I think there's a a bit of a paradox here: cardiovascular disease is solved biomedically, yet still remains the #1 cause of death worldwide. From a biomedical standpoint, we have highly accurate biomarkers (e.g., ApoB, Lp(a), hs-CRP), long-term risk prediction models, knowledge of nutritional biochemstry, and next generation drugs like PCSK9 inhibitors and lepodisiran that can lower ApoB and Lp(a) by 90%. So there's no fundamental reason why cardiovascular disease has to be in even the top 10 causes of death. Practically speaking, providing guideline-recommended preventive care would require ~27 hours per doctor per day. And the incentives are misaligned: health systems profit when hospital beds are full, so they lack the business model to actually invest in prevention. So it's a clear illustration of a systematic gap between research and care delivery.
- lm28469 10mo ago
  > I think there's a a bit of a paradox here: cardiovascular disease is solved biomedically, yet still remains the #1 cause of death worldwide. Because most people don't give a shit about their health, no amount of pills will save you if you eat like the average american.
  - vladgur 10mo ago
    I also think that many people don’t know - I would wager for men that a significant percentage of them do not go to see a doctor preventively unless injured or sick and not that may know their blood pressure or cholesterol trends
- loeg 10mo ago
  Well, and everyone knows they should exercise, and many know they should avoid dietary saturated fats, but most people neither exercise nor avoid highly fatty foods.
- vladgur 10mo ago
  Thanks for sharing this and empowering others to improve their heart health outcomes. I’m not in love with the idea of sharing my biomarkers with multiple health-tech companies and really want a self-hosted solution to import biomarkers from multiple sources such as Apple Health, arbitrary csv and jsons while avoiding duplication. Claude Code is something that will make this dream a reality for me pretty soon. Do you have any tips on biomarker data design or import gotchas?
lm28469 10mo ago
It's almost entirely a lifestyle problem. Shit diet, lack of exercise, obesity, &c. Overlap maps of obesity and cardiovascular deaths, they're virtually the same https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/4187653/10321616/deaths+due+to+coronary+diseases+map.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/4187653/10321616/dea... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/thumb/a/a2/Share_of_overweight_people_aged_16_years_or_over%2C_2022_%28%25%29_Health2024.png/800px-Share_of_overweight_people_aged_16_years_or_over%2C_2022_%28%25%29_Health2024.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/th...

I wonder how many Cardiologists would call cardiovascular disease “a solved problem” My bet is close to none

agumonkey 10mo ago

following a few cardiology conference i tend to agree with you, far from this sadly

noitpmeder 10mo ago

I mean their livelihood is predicated on it not being solved for a portion of the population

medstrom 10mo ago
There is plenty more for a cardiologist to do even if they solve the most pressing current problems. Hard to run out of puzzles in biology.

bilsbie 10mo ago

Ask yourself what happens to them if it’s solved.

deleted 10mo ago

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WillAdams 10mo ago

Ages ago, I used to do the typesetting for the _Cardiosource Review Journal_ (lived my life around the publishing schedule because no one else was able to run a WordBASIC macro to do initial formatting, import that into a page layout program, process all the graphics and place them, and generate page proofs early enough that it could be proofed and corrected with a 24hr. turn-around until a postal rate increase killed it) --- cardiologists seem very big on data/analysis, moreso than most other medical fields.

Aurornis 10mo ago

“Solved problem” is too strong of language, but the cardiologists I follow are generally open about the idea that we have enough tools and knowledges to reasonably prevent and manage it the average person. Even without medications, we’ve had enough knowledge about diet and lifestyle factors that the average person (excluding generic abnormalities that lead to abnormally high risk) could reasonably avoid heart disease through lifestyle and diet alone. That’s easier said than done for a lot of people in the modern world, so it’s good that we have a few different medications on top of that knowledge.

dubeye 10mo ago
the cardiologist I pay, visit and follow, would likely advise perfect diet and excercise will only reduce risk not eliminate it. So it comes down to definition of 'resaonably'. diet and excercise will 'reasonably' reduce risk of most disease.
- Aurornis 10mo ago
  > will only reduce risk not eliminate it. Same with medications? It’s well known that medications don’t eliminate risk. For the average person without genetic outlier risk, perfect diet and exercise would definitely make heart disease a non-issue in their lifetime. The risk your cardiologist is talking about is probably the risk that you have one of those genetic outlier conditions that require medication regardless of diet.

brandonb 10mo ago

I think there's a a bit of a paradox here: cardiovascular disease is solved biomedically, yet still remains the #1 cause of death worldwide. From a biomedical standpoint, we have highly accurate biomarkers (e.g., ApoB, Lp(a), hs-CRP), long-term risk prediction models, knowledge of nutritional biochemstry, and next generation drugs like PCSK9 inhibitors and lepodisiran that can lower ApoB and Lp(a) by 90%. So there's no fundamental reason why cardiovascular disease has to be in even the top 10 causes of death. Practically speaking, providing guideline-recommended preventive care would require ~27 hours per doctor per day. And the incentives are misaligned: health systems profit when hospital beds are full, so they lack the business model to actually invest in prevention. So it's a clear illustration of a systematic gap between research and care delivery.

lm28469 10mo ago
> I think there's a a bit of a paradox here: cardiovascular disease is solved biomedically, yet still remains the #1 cause of death worldwide. Because most people don't give a shit about their health, no amount of pills will save you if you eat like the average american.
- vladgur 10mo ago
  I also think that many people don’t know - I would wager for men that a significant percentage of them do not go to see a doctor preventively unless injured or sick and not that may know their blood pressure or cholesterol trends
loeg 10mo ago
Well, and everyone knows they should exercise, and many know they should avoid dietary saturated fats, but most people neither exercise nor avoid highly fatty foods.
vladgur 10mo ago
Thanks for sharing this and empowering others to improve their heart health outcomes. I’m not in love with the idea of sharing my biomarkers with multiple health-tech companies and really want a self-hosted solution to import biomarkers from multiple sources such as Apple Health, arbitrary csv and jsons while avoiding duplication. Claude Code is something that will make this dream a reality for me pretty soon. Do you have any tips on biomarker data design or import gotchas?

lm28469 10mo ago

It's almost entirely a lifestyle problem. Shit diet, lack of exercise, obesity, &c. Overlap maps of obesity and cardiovascular deaths, they're virtually the same https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/4187653/10321616/deaths+due+to+coronary+diseases+map.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/4187653/10321616/dea... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/thumb/a/a2/Share_of_overweight_people_aged_16_years_or_over%2C_2022_%28%25%29_Health2024.png/800px-Share_of_overweight_people_aged_16_years_or_over%2C_2022_%28%25%29_Health2024.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/th...