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That is rubbish. I loathe Trump more than most, but there's no serious claim that he wasn't freely elected in 2024. There appears to be a lot of buyer's remorse

That is rubbish. I loathe Trump more than most, but there's no serious claim that he wasn't freely elected in 2024. There appears to be a lot of buyer's remorse and we'll see what happens in the mid terms. But (sadly) Americans asked for this and they got it.

pstuart 10mo ago
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- jacquesm 10mo ago
  Gerrymandering alone would be enough to disqualify the US elections as 'free and fair' by many standards. And that's before we get into dollars are votes and other little details.
  - pstuart 10mo ago
    Indeed. There's plenty of other forms of disenfranchisement (restricted polling access, overly aggressive purging of voter rolls, etc) It's a pity that this is perceived as such a hot-button partisan topic, because that's not my intent -- I just want to see free and fair elections. The more distressing fact is that despite my assertion of election fuckery, there's clearly a large number of people that are willing to vote against their best interests because they are so easily swayed by anger and hate. Democracy really is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
  - inquirerGeneral 10mo ago
    That has nothing to do with Trump and that election
  - stickfigure 10mo ago
    Gerrymandering is atrocious and anti-democratic but it didn't affect Trump's election. States' electors are winner-take-all[1] based on statewide popular vote so district boundaries don't factor in. [1] I just learned there are two exceptions, Maine and Nebraska. But they have few electors (9 total between them) so this was not significant in the 2024 election.
    - pstuart 10mo ago
      But it does affect congressional elections, and despite the effective neutering of the congress, having a majority there is crucial for maintaining power.
    - myko 10mo ago
      It does depress turnout
locknitpicker 10mo ago
> That is rubbish. I loathe Trump more than most, but there's no serious claim that he wasn't freely elected in 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_di...
chasil 10mo ago
I would not say that we asked for it. The opposition refused to address internal issues with the incumbent until they were painfully evident, then switched in a much weaker candidate in the final months who had never won a primary. Had a stronger candidate been offered from the beginning, Trump well could have lost.
- XorNot 10mo ago
  Really doesn't matter. America had two choices and made the one it did. It's clear what the country is, and is not.
comfysocks 10mo ago
In a way, America didn’t ask for what it got. America voted for a guy who claimed to have never heard of Project 2025. It got Project 2025. Also, Trump ran on a populist message. Yet if you look at what he has done materially since he got into office, it seems his true allegiance is with the billionaire elite.

pstuart 10mo ago

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jacquesm 10mo ago
Gerrymandering alone would be enough to disqualify the US elections as 'free and fair' by many standards. And that's before we get into dollars are votes and other little details.
- pstuart 10mo ago
  Indeed. There's plenty of other forms of disenfranchisement (restricted polling access, overly aggressive purging of voter rolls, etc) It's a pity that this is perceived as such a hot-button partisan topic, because that's not my intent -- I just want to see free and fair elections. The more distressing fact is that despite my assertion of election fuckery, there's clearly a large number of people that are willing to vote against their best interests because they are so easily swayed by anger and hate. Democracy really is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
- inquirerGeneral 10mo ago
  That has nothing to do with Trump and that election
- stickfigure 10mo ago
  Gerrymandering is atrocious and anti-democratic but it didn't affect Trump's election. States' electors are winner-take-all[1] based on statewide popular vote so district boundaries don't factor in. [1] I just learned there are two exceptions, Maine and Nebraska. But they have few electors (9 total between them) so this was not significant in the 2024 election.
  - pstuart 10mo ago
    But it does affect congressional elections, and despite the effective neutering of the congress, having a majority there is crucial for maintaining power.
  - myko 10mo ago
    It does depress turnout

locknitpicker 10mo ago

> That is rubbish. I loathe Trump more than most, but there's no serious claim that he wasn't freely elected in 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_di...

chasil 10mo ago

I would not say that we asked for it. The opposition refused to address internal issues with the incumbent until they were painfully evident, then switched in a much weaker candidate in the final months who had never won a primary. Had a stronger candidate been offered from the beginning, Trump well could have lost.

XorNot 10mo ago
Really doesn't matter. America had two choices and made the one it did. It's clear what the country is, and is not.

comfysocks 10mo ago

In a way, America didn’t ask for what it got. America voted for a guy who claimed to have never heard of Project 2025. It got Project 2025. Also, Trump ran on a populist message. Yet if you look at what he has done materially since he got into office, it seems his true allegiance is with the billionaire elite.