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> 100% of the american people would be screaming for blood. Absolutely not. I'd be out celebrating.

by coldpie 9mo ago

sandworm101 9mo ago
People say that, but the sight of say Russian/Mexican/Chinese/Canadian troops parachuting onto the whitehouse lawn to abduct a sitting president, no doubt killing many in the process, would be such an afront that domestic politics wouldnt matter.
- coldpie 9mo ago
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  - andsoitis 9mo ago
    > I would welcome any method to depose them. So just to be clear, you think that Trump and the GOP are so bad you would welcome Xi or Putin launching an assault on US soil and depose him? To push your point even further: do you feel so strongly that you would volunteer to help?
    - coldpie 9mo ago
      > Putin launching an assault on US soil This already happened. Trump lead a Russia-backed coup against the United States in January, 2021 to overturn the 2020 election and illegally take the presidency. It failed, but he and every government employee who supported him after that is guilty of treason and is serving illegitimately.
      - andsoitis 9mo ago
        > and is serving illegitimately. Trump is president because he was elected by the American voter while the opposition was in power. I would not label that as illegitimate and I think it is dangerous to spread that narrative.
        coldpie 9mo ago
        Trump lead a coup against the US, is guilty of treason, and is ineligible for public office. I agree it is dangerous to have a traitor to the US in the presidency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Participants_in_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...
        andsoitis 9mo ago
        > Trump lead a coup against the US, is guilty of treason Was he tried and convicted? If his successor and the opposition truly believed that why did they not go after him for it?
        coldpie 9mo ago
        A lack of prosecution does not imply innocence. There were several attempts to go after him for it, but the courts are intentionally set up to favor the wealthy and powerful, in this case via infinite delay tactics. I still think it could've been done and I'll never forgive the Biden DOJ for delaying forever and letting him skate. He should've been in jail by February, serving his sentence by summer.
- amitav1 9mo ago
  C-canadian??
  - testing22321 9mo ago
    They can burn the whitehouse down. Again.
- JKCalhoun 9mo ago
  I assumed they would be parachuting in on Mar-A-Lago or some golf course somewhere.
- empthought 9mo ago
  I think you vastly overestimate the value that people place on Trump. The GOP would swear in President Vance and count their blessings.
lr4444lr 9mo ago
... and then President Vance maintaining the status quo would bring you back to reality.
- coldpie 9mo ago
  One fewer enemy of the US in a position of power is worth celebrating even if it's not all of them.
  - collingreen 9mo ago
    There will always be enemies and corrupt people. We need to establish a system of government and culture that doesn't so easily give over the reigns of the nation to these bad actors. If we don't actively do this we will long for the good old days when the corrupt leaders just wanted to steal money for themselves and hurt trans people.
  - convolvatron 9mo ago
    for what is Maduro an enemy of the US. He wasn't willing to sign over the oil reserves to US oil companies. wanting to keep what is theirs away from rapacious foreign invaders would make most of the planet an enemy of the US.
- amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
  I doubt Vance is capable of getting the support from Congress and the maga voters that Trump has. Once Trump is gone, the Republican party is going to have a hard time putting itself back together.
  - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
    No, we very much support Vance. Meanwhile, the individual upthread suggesting they’d support a foreign power invading the US and capturing Trump is the ridiculous, childish, and deeply unserious brand of self-loathing that we are voraciously (and necessarily, if our country is to survive) opposed to.
fhdkweig 9mo ago
I'd be concerned about exactly what price would be asked. No one country spends their cash and soldiers to "liberate" for free. I've turned down free gifts before because I knew they came with strings attached.

> 100% of the american people would be screaming for blood. Absolutely not. I'd be out celebrating.

by coldpie 9mo ago

> 100% of the american people would be screaming for blood. Absolutely not. I'd be out celebrating.

People say that, but the sight of say Russian/Mexican/Chinese/Canadian troops parachuting onto the whitehouse lawn to abduct a sitting president, no doubt killing many in the process, would be such an afront that domestic politics wouldnt matter.

coldpie 9mo ago
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- andsoitis 9mo ago
  > I would welcome any method to depose them. So just to be clear, you think that Trump and the GOP are so bad you would welcome Xi or Putin launching an assault on US soil and depose him? To push your point even further: do you feel so strongly that you would volunteer to help?
  - coldpie 9mo ago
    > Putin launching an assault on US soil This already happened. Trump lead a Russia-backed coup against the United States in January, 2021 to overturn the 2020 election and illegally take the presidency. It failed, but he and every government employee who supported him after that is guilty of treason and is serving illegitimately.
    - andsoitis 9mo ago
      > and is serving illegitimately. Trump is president because he was elected by the American voter while the opposition was in power. I would not label that as illegitimate and I think it is dangerous to spread that narrative.
      - coldpie 9mo ago
        Trump lead a coup against the US, is guilty of treason, and is ineligible for public office. I agree it is dangerous to have a traitor to the US in the presidency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Participants_in_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...
        andsoitis 9mo ago
        > Trump lead a coup against the US, is guilty of treason Was he tried and convicted? If his successor and the opposition truly believed that why did they not go after him for it?
        coldpie 9mo ago
        A lack of prosecution does not imply innocence. There were several attempts to go after him for it, but the courts are intentionally set up to favor the wealthy and powerful, in this case via infinite delay tactics. I still think it could've been done and I'll never forgive the Biden DOJ for delaying forever and letting him skate. He should've been in jail by February, serving his sentence by summer.
amitav1 9mo ago
C-canadian??
- testing22321 9mo ago
  They can burn the whitehouse down. Again.
JKCalhoun 9mo ago
I assumed they would be parachuting in on Mar-A-Lago or some golf course somewhere.
empthought 9mo ago
I think you vastly overestimate the value that people place on Trump. The GOP would swear in President Vance and count their blessings.

lr4444lr 9mo ago

... and then President Vance maintaining the status quo would bring you back to reality.

coldpie 9mo ago
One fewer enemy of the US in a position of power is worth celebrating even if it's not all of them.
- collingreen 9mo ago
  There will always be enemies and corrupt people. We need to establish a system of government and culture that doesn't so easily give over the reigns of the nation to these bad actors. If we don't actively do this we will long for the good old days when the corrupt leaders just wanted to steal money for themselves and hurt trans people.
- convolvatron 9mo ago
  for what is Maduro an enemy of the US. He wasn't willing to sign over the oil reserves to US oil companies. wanting to keep what is theirs away from rapacious foreign invaders would make most of the planet an enemy of the US.
amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
I doubt Vance is capable of getting the support from Congress and the maga voters that Trump has. Once Trump is gone, the Republican party is going to have a hard time putting itself back together.
- frumplestlatz 9mo ago
  No, we very much support Vance. Meanwhile, the individual upthread suggesting they’d support a foreign power invading the US and capturing Trump is the ridiculous, childish, and deeply unserious brand of self-loathing that we are voraciously (and necessarily, if our country is to survive) opposed to.

fhdkweig 9mo ago

I'd be concerned about exactly what price would be asked. No one country spends their cash and soldiers to "liberate" for free. I've turned down free gifts before because I knew they came with strings attached.