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Not yet. Once the anger metastasizes into a new wholly anti-american government, new targets will emerge. Trump is far from universally loved, but just imagine

Not yet. Once the anger metastasizes into a new wholly anti-american government, new targets will emerge. Trump is far from universally loved, but just imagine what the US would become if an outside nation swooped in and captured him. 100% of the american people would be screaming for blood.

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macintux 10mo ago
> 100% of the american people would be screaming for blood. Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be one of them.
empthought 10mo ago
I would not be screaming for blood. It is the world order he wants, and perhaps the only possible lesson in why we shouldn’t give him that world order.
- JKCalhoun 10mo ago
  Most polls put it at 30%. (And 30% of those that could vote, didn't—so here we are.)
coldpie 10mo ago
> 100% of the american people would be screaming for blood. Absolutely not. I'd be out celebrating.
- sandworm101 10mo ago
  People say that, but the sight of say Russian/Mexican/Chinese/Canadian troops parachuting onto the whitehouse lawn to abduct a sitting president, no doubt killing many in the process, would be such an afront that domestic politics wouldnt matter.
  - coldpie 10mo ago
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    - andsoitis 10mo ago
      > I would welcome any method to depose them. So just to be clear, you think that Trump and the GOP are so bad you would welcome Xi or Putin launching an assault on US soil and depose him? To push your point even further: do you feel so strongly that you would volunteer to help?
      - coldpie 10mo ago
        > Putin launching an assault on US soil This already happened. Trump lead a Russia-backed coup against the United States in January, 2021 to overturn the 2020 election and illegally take the presidency. It failed, but he and every government employee who supported him after that is guilty of treason and is serving illegitimately.
        andsoitis 10mo ago
        > and is serving illegitimately. Trump is president because he was elected by the American voter while the opposition was in power. I would not label that as illegitimate and I think it is dangerous to spread that narrative.
        coldpie 10mo ago
        Trump lead a coup against the US, is guilty of treason, and is ineligible for public office. I agree it is dangerous to have a traitor to the US in the presidency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Participants_in_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...
        andsoitis 10mo ago
- lr4444lr 10mo ago
  ... and then President Vance maintaining the status quo would bring you back to reality.
  - coldpie 10mo ago
    One fewer enemy of the US in a position of power is worth celebrating even if it's not all of them.
    - collingreen 10mo ago
      There will always be enemies and corrupt people. We need to establish a system of government and culture that doesn't so easily give over the reigns of the nation to these bad actors. If we don't actively do this we will long for the good old days when the corrupt leaders just wanted to steal money for themselves and hurt trans people.
    - convolvatron 10mo ago
      for what is Maduro an enemy of the US. He wasn't willing to sign over the oil reserves to US oil companies. wanting to keep what is theirs away from rapacious foreign invaders would make most of the planet an enemy of the US.
  - amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
    I doubt Vance is capable of getting the support from Congress and the maga voters that Trump has. Once Trump is gone, the Republican party is going to have a hard time putting itself back together.
    - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
      No, we very much support Vance. Meanwhile, the individual upthread suggesting they’d support a foreign power invading the US and capturing Trump is the ridiculous, childish, and deeply unserious brand of self-loathing that we are voraciously (and necessarily, if our country is to survive) opposed to.
- fhdkweig 10mo ago
  I'd be concerned about exactly what price would be asked. No one country spends their cash and soldiers to "liberate" for free. I've turned down free gifts before because I knew they came with strings attached.
ycombinary 10mo ago
Maybe, but from observing US politics from afar for a decade, 50% would be screaming for Trumps blood to lock in the win.
nwatson 10mo ago
Capture might not be the aim. The coming decades will see anonymous effective asymmetric warfare with USA infrastructure and the USA political establishment as prime targets. That's the big concern.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  That is a very real risk. Action -> reaction.
- fireflash38 10mo ago
  A new cold war effectively, but with the goal of cementing local power.
- chaboud 10mo ago
  Huh... they better build some readily-available hyper-powerful infrastructure, pronto, or that next election could hand power to folks that don't have the best interest of the country in mind: https://thedreydossier.substack.com/p/trump-isnt-building-a-ballroom https://thedreydossier.substack.com/p/trump-isnt-building-a-...
Applejinx 10mo ago
Trump is Russia's guy. There is no way I'd be screaming for revenge over a horrifying complicated nightmare becoming even more toxic, even more complicated, and even more nightmarish. If anyone comes and gets Trump it ain't Russia: he is already theirs, and acting in such a way as to further all their aims and all their narratives.

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macintux 10mo ago

> 100% of the american people would be screaming for blood. Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be one of them.

empthought 10mo ago

I would not be screaming for blood. It is the world order he wants, and perhaps the only possible lesson in why we shouldn’t give him that world order.

JKCalhoun 10mo ago
Most polls put it at 30%. (And 30% of those that could vote, didn't—so here we are.)

coldpie 10mo ago

> 100% of the american people would be screaming for blood. Absolutely not. I'd be out celebrating.

sandworm101 10mo ago
People say that, but the sight of say Russian/Mexican/Chinese/Canadian troops parachuting onto the whitehouse lawn to abduct a sitting president, no doubt killing many in the process, would be such an afront that domestic politics wouldnt matter.
- coldpie 10mo ago
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  - andsoitis 10mo ago
    > I would welcome any method to depose them. So just to be clear, you think that Trump and the GOP are so bad you would welcome Xi or Putin launching an assault on US soil and depose him? To push your point even further: do you feel so strongly that you would volunteer to help?
    - coldpie 10mo ago
      > Putin launching an assault on US soil This already happened. Trump lead a Russia-backed coup against the United States in January, 2021 to overturn the 2020 election and illegally take the presidency. It failed, but he and every government employee who supported him after that is guilty of treason and is serving illegitimately.
      - andsoitis 10mo ago
        > and is serving illegitimately. Trump is president because he was elected by the American voter while the opposition was in power. I would not label that as illegitimate and I think it is dangerous to spread that narrative.
        coldpie 10mo ago
        Trump lead a coup against the US, is guilty of treason, and is ineligible for public office. I agree it is dangerous to have a traitor to the US in the presidency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Participants_in_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...
        andsoitis 10mo ago
lr4444lr 10mo ago
... and then President Vance maintaining the status quo would bring you back to reality.
- coldpie 10mo ago
  One fewer enemy of the US in a position of power is worth celebrating even if it's not all of them.
  - collingreen 10mo ago
    There will always be enemies and corrupt people. We need to establish a system of government and culture that doesn't so easily give over the reigns of the nation to these bad actors. If we don't actively do this we will long for the good old days when the corrupt leaders just wanted to steal money for themselves and hurt trans people.
  - convolvatron 10mo ago
    for what is Maduro an enemy of the US. He wasn't willing to sign over the oil reserves to US oil companies. wanting to keep what is theirs away from rapacious foreign invaders would make most of the planet an enemy of the US.
- amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
  I doubt Vance is capable of getting the support from Congress and the maga voters that Trump has. Once Trump is gone, the Republican party is going to have a hard time putting itself back together.
  - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
    No, we very much support Vance. Meanwhile, the individual upthread suggesting they’d support a foreign power invading the US and capturing Trump is the ridiculous, childish, and deeply unserious brand of self-loathing that we are voraciously (and necessarily, if our country is to survive) opposed to.
fhdkweig 10mo ago
I'd be concerned about exactly what price would be asked. No one country spends their cash and soldiers to "liberate" for free. I've turned down free gifts before because I knew they came with strings attached.

ycombinary 10mo ago

Maybe, but from observing US politics from afar for a decade, 50% would be screaming for Trumps blood to lock in the win.

nwatson 10mo ago

Capture might not be the aim. The coming decades will see anonymous effective asymmetric warfare with USA infrastructure and the USA political establishment as prime targets. That's the big concern.

jacquesm 10mo ago
That is a very real risk. Action -> reaction.
fireflash38 10mo ago
A new cold war effectively, but with the goal of cementing local power.
chaboud 10mo ago
Huh... they better build some readily-available hyper-powerful infrastructure, pronto, or that next election could hand power to folks that don't have the best interest of the country in mind: https://thedreydossier.substack.com/p/trump-isnt-building-a-ballroom https://thedreydossier.substack.com/p/trump-isnt-building-a-...

Applejinx 10mo ago

Trump is Russia's guy. There is no way I'd be screaming for revenge over a horrifying complicated nightmare becoming even more toxic, even more complicated, and even more nightmarish. If anyone comes and gets Trump it ain't Russia: he is already theirs, and acting in such a way as to further all their aims and all their narratives.