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> , there should be a general prohibition against kidnapping/assassination of de facto heads of state, regardless of whether they were legitimately elected or a

> , there should be a general prohibition against kidnapping/assassination of de facto heads of state, regardless of whether they were legitimately elected or are dictators. Since ideas don't execute themselves, who would you pick to enforce this prohibition, never mind even getting 100%(?) alignment from countries what the conditions are for "kidnap", "assassination", and "de facto head of state"?

1718627440 10mo ago
Public opinion?
- andsoitis 10mo ago
  > Public opinion? Opinion, public or not, cannot enforce anything.
  - 1718627440 10mo ago
    It can be what forces people to do something or to resign?
- komali2 10mo ago
  Of who? If the PRC invades Taiwan and starts brutally oppressing the people here, you ostensibly have 1.3 billion people in support, plus possibly PRC allied, a non insignificant number of tankies abroad...
  - 1718627440 10mo ago
    If people would still default to boycotting war-mongering states, the PRC would have a serious economic problem afterwards. Since, the relevant states (EU) are already in a (mild) crisis, they messed up there foreign economic diversity and individualism is all the rage now, there won't be.
    - komali2 10mo ago
      > the PRC would have a serious economic problem afterwards Don't get me wrong, I live in Taiwan so it's not something I want to have happen, but the PRC seems focused on localizing its economy as much as possible, so it may be that if that time comes, it doesn't matter if other countries boycott it. Didn't seem to matter that much to Russia in the Ukraine situation, or at least, it didn't stop them.
      - 1718627440 10mo ago
        > the PRC seems focused on localizing its economy as much as possible If they would actually do that, they would loose their threat model to keep the EU in check.
jessriedel 10mo ago
The UN security council is one reasonable and popular choice, although it has lots of problems. But enforcement is not even my point. I'm referring to a moral principle.

1718627440 10mo ago

Public opinion?

andsoitis 10mo ago
> Public opinion? Opinion, public or not, cannot enforce anything.
- 1718627440 10mo ago
  It can be what forces people to do something or to resign?
komali2 10mo ago
Of who? If the PRC invades Taiwan and starts brutally oppressing the people here, you ostensibly have 1.3 billion people in support, plus possibly PRC allied, a non insignificant number of tankies abroad...
- 1718627440 10mo ago
  If people would still default to boycotting war-mongering states, the PRC would have a serious economic problem afterwards. Since, the relevant states (EU) are already in a (mild) crisis, they messed up there foreign economic diversity and individualism is all the rage now, there won't be.
  - komali2 10mo ago
    > the PRC would have a serious economic problem afterwards Don't get me wrong, I live in Taiwan so it's not something I want to have happen, but the PRC seems focused on localizing its economy as much as possible, so it may be that if that time comes, it doesn't matter if other countries boycott it. Didn't seem to matter that much to Russia in the Ukraine situation, or at least, it didn't stop them.
    - 1718627440 10mo ago
      > the PRC seems focused on localizing its economy as much as possible If they would actually do that, they would loose their threat model to keep the EU in check.

jessriedel 10mo ago

The UN security council is one reasonable and popular choice, although it has lots of problems. But enforcement is not even my point. I'm referring to a moral principle.